While Browns and Cavs play musical chairs with coaches, the Guardians have mastered the art of stability

CLEVELAND, Ohio — As Kevin Stefanski packs his agency pursuing his dismissal arsenic Browns caput coach, it’s worthy examining a stark opposition among Cleveland’s sports franchises that speaks volumes astir organizational accuracy and success.

The Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast precocious highlighted this fascinating disparity: While nan Browns person burned done six caput coaches and nan Cavaliers an astonishing 8 successful nan past 13 years, nan Guardians person employed conscionable 2 managers – Terry Francona and now Stephen Vogt.

This singular stableness isn’t accidental. It’s nan merchandise of an organizational accuracy that values patience, development, and semipermanent imagination complete knee-jerk reactions.

“Stability is nan key, and having a beforehand agency that doesn’t panic, that is not nether unit from ownership to move this point astir successful 2 days,” Paul Hoynes observed connected nan podcast. “I deliberation each that comes into play here.”

• Big Christmas successful Baltimore: Were nan Guardians excessively speedy to judge Jhonkensy Noel earlier his release?
• José Ramírez will ever beryllium nan Guardians’ MVP candidate, but who will play Robin to his Batman?
• Former Guardians slugger claimed connected waivers; reliever invited to outpouring training

The opposition successful ownership styles couldn’t beryllium much evident. While nan Browns and Cavaliers characteristic ultra-wealthy owners who regularly scatter rate connected free agents and aren’t acrophobic to cleanable house, nan Guardians run differently. They’ve built a strategy predicated connected subordinate development, shrewd trades, and consistency from nan beforehand agency down.

Joe Noga pointed retired different cardinal distinction: “The Guardians person ne'er made a feline nan highest paid subordinate successful nan convention for a season. The adjacent clip they springiness retired a $300 cardinal statement will beryllium nan first time.”

This fiscal subject has forced nan statement to create a strategy wherever winning doesn’t dangle connected outspending opponents but outthinking them. By investing successful subordinate improvement and creating a accordant connection passim nan organization, nan Guardians person built thing that mightiness beryllium little flashy but has proven much sustainable.

The workplace strategy plays a important domiciled successful this stability. While NFL and NBA rookies often jump consecutive to nan highest level, baseball’s improvement pipeline allows organizations to style players wrong their strategy for years. This produces athletes who already understand nan team’s accuracy earlier reaching Cleveland.

Hoynes emphasized this point: “You’re capable to create players successful a measurement nan statement wants them to play baseball. That plays a portion successful having a unchangeable franchise arsenic well.”

The benefits of this attack are clear. The Guardians person consistently competed for playoff spots while their Cleveland sports counterparts person knowledgeable overmuch much erratic success. Even pinch financial constraints, nan shot nine has recovered a look that works.

The podcast makes clear that stableness doesn’t conscionable hap – it’s cultivated done organizational philosophy, patience from ownership, and a committedness to a process alternatively than speedy fixes. As Hoynes noted, nan relationship betwixt nan beforehand agency and dugout remains accordant moreover arsenic immoderate unit inevitably change.

For Cleveland sports fans seeking penetration into why their shot squad remains consistently competitory while their shot and hoops counterparts thrust rollercoasters of dream and despair, this section of Cleveland Baseball Talk provides fascinating perspective. Tune successful to perceive nan complete chat astir really organizational accuracy shapes occurrence – and why stableness mightiness beryllium nan astir underrated plus successful master sports.

Read nan automated transcript of today’s podcast below. Because it’s an AI-generated transcript, it whitethorn incorporate errors and misspellings.

Podcast Transcript

Joe Noga: To nan Cleveland Baseball Talk podcast, I’m Joe Noga, joined by Paul Hoynes. Hoynsie, a batch of news successful Cleveland yesterday surrounding nan firing of caput coach Kevin Stefanski by nan Cleveland Browns. You and I started to have. Have a small speech present earlier we started signaling conscionable astir how, you know, if you look astatine nan Browns, if you look astatine nan Cavaliers complete nan last, you know, 12, 13 years present successful Cleveland, nan Browns, six different caput coaches, nan Cavaliers 8 different caput coaches, but nan Guardians franchise, only 2 managers in, successful that clip frame, you know, Terry Francona evidently nan winningest head successful franchise history. And, and he stepped away. He retired aft the, nan 2023 season. So they’ve only really had to spell connected 1 managerial hunt successful that, that 13 twelvemonth span since Tito first, you know, walked into the, nan clubhouse. You astir the, nan Guardians and the, nan franchise arsenic a whole, you know, is location a quality possibly betwixt shot and, and shot and hoops in, successful that regard? You know, why person nan different teams successful Northeast Ohio had truthful overmuch turnover from their caput coaching position, but the, nan Guardian’s been truthful stable.

Paul Hoynes: I think, you know, that that’s a key. You said nan cardinal word, Joe. Stabilities. You know, I deliberation this beforehand agency is built, has been built connected a premise that making changes isn’t ever a bully thing. I mean, I tin retrieve measurement backmost erstwhile Mark Shapiro was moving nan show and he had, he hired eric wedge successful 2003. And I retrieve a speech pinch him, he said, I dream Wedge is nan only head I hire. And I’m judge successful nan Cavs and nan Browns, nan determination makers pinch them person nan aforesaid thought. But you know, it doesn’t activity that way. It doesn’t ever activity that way. But nan Guardians slash Indians person made a concerted effort to do that. And I deliberation it each starts pinch nan beforehand office, pinch ownership, you know, an ownership that doesn’t really panic, you know, person as. Have we ever heard, you know, Larry, Larry Dolan aliases Paul Dolan really, you know, raising a public, you know, fuss astir a head aliases about, you know, coming retired and complaining that nan squad isn’t playing well. Uh, you know, they time off that to nan beforehand office. The beforehand office, obviously. Well, since they started winning successful 94, you know, they’ve had Mike Hargrove for what, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 years, past Eric Wedge for a agelong run, past Francona for 11, and Stephen Vogt is disconnected to a bully commencement entering his 3rd year. So I deliberation stableness is nan cardinal and having a beforehand agency that doesn’t panic, that is not benignant of, you know, nether unit from ownership to move this point astir in, successful 2 days. So I deliberation each that comes into play here.

Joe Noga: Yeah, and, and I think, you know, winning is ever the, nan best, you know, disinfectant arsenic well. You look astatine nan occurrence that the, nan Guardians person had consistently being successful nan playoffs, you know, nan mostly of nan play is betwixt 2013 and now. And you look astatine nan different Franchi, evidently nan Cavaliers, it’s going to beryllium based connected nan players connected your roster arsenic well. When The Cavaliers had LeBron James, moreover erstwhile they had LeBron James, they, they still had turnover successful that, that caput coaching seat, location were aggregate names successful there. David Blatt, Tyron Liu were, you know, was fired halfway done nan season. So successful his 2nd year, I deliberation nan value of nan players connected nan roster helps. Obviously, nan Browns person had a batch of roster turnover, but Kevin Stefanski won 2 coach of nan twelvemonth awards successful nan NFL in, successful his six seasons successful Cleveland. When he was really good, erstwhile nan squad was really good, he was really highly thought of. And erstwhile nan squad was really bad, we saw what happened with, you know, 8 wins complete nan past 2 seasons. And that, that’s nan measurement things spell arsenic acold arsenic this consistency and nan stability, conscionable nan quality of nan game. Obviously pinch baseball, you know, 162 games season, 162 crippled schedule, hoops half of that, and football, uh, little than half of that. The opportunities location to, to, to triumph games a spot fewer. But is it astir building a culture? Is it astir building a clubhouse presence? Maybe that, that, you know, helps shot return a, a benignant of a, a longer, much relaxed attack aliases make them capable to measurement backmost and, and spot nan bigger image arsenic opposed to, for illustration you said, the, the, the, nan benignant of triumph now pressure.

Paul Hoynes: I deliberation that’s a bully point. When you look astatine nan Browns and you look astatine nan Cavs, their, they some are tally by really rich | guys. They’ve sewage a batch of money, they’re accordant players successful nan free supplier marketplace and nan waste and acquisition market. Seems for illustration each twelvemonth nan roster is getting turned over. That’s not always. That hasn’t been nan lawsuit normally. You know, I conjecture for nan mostly of nan clip pinch nan Guardians, I mean, we’ve seen them this twelvemonth neglect to spell retired and get a, you know, a cardinal hitter erstwhile everyone successful nan world knows that they request discourtesy because they’ve committed to nan players that they brought up done nan strategy that they developed, that they brought successful done trades and they want to, want to springiness these guys a chance to develop. And I deliberation that does found a culture, Joe. I deliberation that, that really, you know, if you’re Stefanski, you’re not spending, you know, half nan twelvemonth trying to build a culture. The civilization is already successful spot because you’re dealing with, you know, fundamentally nan aforesaid people. Not ever nan aforesaid group because there’s ever going to beryllium turnover. But halfway players, if you deliberation from nan past three, 4 years pinch nan Guardians has beautiful overmuch stayed nan same, right?

Joe Noga: Yeah. And successful shot you’ve sewage that benignant of that, that building and group up wherever they don’t scope free agency for six seasons. You’ve, you know, you’ve sewage a feline nether squad control. If he comes up and he’s, he’s a value rookie, you know, you’re going to person him for a group magnitude of time. With shot and hoops having net caps and nan measurement that free agents are capable to move astir and, and make their money there, it’s EAS a squad to spell from past spot successful nan section to first place. Obviously we haven’t seen it successful nan Browns lawsuit successful a agelong time, but, you know, nan Cavs were, were capable to, to build a halfway and support that squad together for a while and they’ve been successful nan playoffs a fewer times nan past mates years, moreover without LeBron James. The point that nan Browns were capable to do, arsenic overmuch arsenic they mightiness regret it now, they were each capable to connection DeSean Watson nan biggest contract, nan biggest guaranteed money statement successful NFL history for a backmost pinch the, you know, what, 230 immoderate cardinal dollars guaranteed for erstwhile they, erstwhile they signed him and brought him over. The Guardians person ne'er done thing for illustration that. They’ve ne'er made a feline nan highest paid subordinate successful nan convention for a season. They could, they person nan expertise to do that. They just. The opportunity to do that. They just, they’ve, they’ve ne'er fixed retired a statement for illustration that. And what’s Larry Dolan said nan adjacent clip I springiness retired a $300 cardinal statement aliases Paul Dolan, I’m sorry, adjacent clip I get, we springiness retired a $300 cardinal statement will beryllium nan first time, I think, you know, that group are truthful consenting to walk different people’s money to make that a reality. But in, successful this case, you’ve sewage the, nan Guardians really operating wrong nan strategy that they person and they’ve done truthful good doing that consistently complete nan last, you know, 13 years that you’ve sewage activity able, being capable to enactment successful spot for for that long.

Paul Hoynes: Yeah. I mean, you know, nan activity successful nan beforehand agency has been stable. The leaders, nan relationship betwixt nan GM aliases nan direct, nan president of shot operations and nan managerial agency has been stable. You know, obviously, you know, they suffer immoderate beforehand agency group each year. They suffer immoderate coaches each year, but nan main relationship is nan same. And you know, they prosecute people, erstwhile they prosecute people, a caller head aliases a caller coach or, you know, caller beforehand agency people, they cognize what nan expected expectations are successful Cleveland. You’re not going to person a large payroll. You’re going to person to find caller ways to get nan astir retired of your players, to get nan astir retired of your talent and that eventually, if you do it nan correct way, that equals wins and section championships and trips to nan station season. So, you know, and, and Joe, I deliberation having a workplace system, you know, you’re capable to create players, you know, a small more, you know, in, successful the, successful a measurement you want, successful a measurement nan statement wants to play baseball, you know, NFL, nan NBA brings their guys successful from assemblage aliases precocious schoolhouse aliases whatever, you know, and they spell correct to nan leagues. I mean, I cognize nan Cavs person a, person a, you know, a developmental league, but still, I deliberation that plays a portion successful having a, a unchangeable franchise arsenic well.

Joe Noga: Yeah, and being capable to draught nan measurement the, nan Guardians person has also, you know, been a affirmative because they’ve deed connected a batch much than they’ve missed successful position of nan draught complete nan past decade plus. And you mentioned, you know, that nan thought of, you know, anybody who is interviewed for that managerial spot successful Cleveland is, does truthful pinch nan knowing that, you know, they person to run nether a definite payroll and there’s, there’s limits there. But nan waste and acquisition disconnected is, you know, possibly that there’s much patience coming from nan beforehand agency successful position of if, you know, you don’t person a title play in, you know, 1 aliases 2 years that, you know, maybe, you know, they’re not truthful speedy to portion ways pinch you. Understanding that it’s not ever nan manager’s responsibility that the, nan players don’t execute erstwhile things don’t spell correct again. You know, the, the, the, nan Browns now moving connected and successful a coaching hunt for a caller caput coach, nan Cavaliers, you know, Kenny Atkinson evidently a occurrence there, you know, past year, but you know, the, nan Guardians 2 clip head of nan year, Stephen Vogt sitting location getting fresh for, for play number 3 and you know, it gotta look and things are, you know, beautiful affirmative correct now. I, is, is ballot now nan astir tenured aliases he’s the, he’s nan 2nd astir tenured coach successful Cleveland. Atkinson’s sewage him by a mates of months, right?

Paul Hoynes: I conjecture so, Joe. Yeah, I’ve been, I gotta get my calculator to fig that out. But yeah, that’s, yeah, that’s, that’s really interesting. I mean and you know, he conscionable signed. Well, he signed a multi twelvemonth woody earlier nan commencement of nan 2025 season. You know, voters successful nan catbird seat, truthful to speak.

Joe Noga: Yeah, it’s you know, great. A awesome position for him and for nan Guardians. All right. News coming retired of the, nan Guardians offices yesterday. Big Christmas to Baltimore. John Kenzie Noel designated for duty anterior to nan holidays. He gets claimed connected waivers by nan Orioles, reunited pinch Craig Albernaz location and evidently he’s, he’s a correct handed bat. Tremendous power, tons of strikeouts. But possibly a, a caller commencement for him successful Baltimore where, wherever really things started disconnected connected a, connected a really precocious statement for him backmost successful 2024.

Paul Hoynes: Yeah, decidedly not a large astonishment that nan Orioles were nan squad that claimed Noel. He, you know, his first, first astatine bat successful nan large leagues successful 2024. He homered go and I deliberation conscionable nan fourth, May 3rd aliases 4th guardians slash Indians subordinate to ever do that. You know, he had a, you cognize that, that benignant of spurred him to a, you know, benignant of a promising 2024, Joe, but he wasn’t capable to build connected that. Playing clip had a batch to do pinch it this past play but you know, conscionable a disappointing twelvemonth for large Christmas successful 2025 and now he’s, he’s, you know, hopefully he catches connected in, in, successful Baltimore. They put him connected nan 40 man and you know, that’s a squad looking for correct handed power. Of people they’ve, you know, signed Pete Alonso, they signed Tyler Ward to you know, correct handed hitters, location tally hitters. So he’s going to person his activity trim retired for him to make that 26 man roster.

Joe Noga: And they move nan fences backmost in, successful near section a small spot more, making it a small much charismatic for correct handed hitters location successful Baltimore. Did, did Big Christmas get a adjacent chance? Did nan Guardians springiness him capable of an opportunity to spot what they had successful him here? Obviously nan strikeout numbers were, were conscionable not manageable in, you know, for what Cleveland needed him to, to be. But you know, did he. Can he locomotion distant from Cleveland saying that he had a adjacent chance here?

Paul Hoynes: That, that’s ever specified a reliable question, particularly pinch young guys and as, arsenic we were talking astir nan stableness of nan Cleveland’s, Cleveland’s statement and nan constricted salary activity under. Usually his domiciled would person been handled by a seasoned feline that could have, you know, was utilized to sitting connected nan chair and you know, playing 2 aliases 3 times a week, you know, against, you know, reliable near handed hitters. But pinch nan Guardians payroll what it is, you know, that occupation goes to guys like, you know, Noel young guys that, you know, request to play each time and erstwhile you’re what, 6, 5 and 260 and you’ve sewage a large swing, you know, sitting connected nan chair doubly aliases three, you know, 2 aliases 3 times a week, you know, not getting regular playing time, you know, that is not conducive to having success. And Big Christmas did not person occurrence this past play and you cognize that. That’s conscionable a truth of life.

Joe Noga: Yeah, I mean I conscionable to maine he has nan aforesaid emotion arsenic he fits nan aforesaid floor plan arsenic 2 different large Dominican slugging outfielders that went earlier him successful Oscar Gonzalez and Franmil Reyes. And you know, I, I deliberation they gave some Gonzalez and Reyes, you know, enough, fundamentally capable statement to bent themselves enough, capable opportunity to spell retired location and show who they were arsenic hitters and who they were, were ne'er going to be. And I conscionable wonderment if they gave Noel that aforesaid opportunity. They each fresh nan aforesaid profile. Each 1 of those guys, erstwhile they sewage a clasp of a ball, they could deed it a mile and it looked and sounded different coming disconnected that bat. No one’s going to hide nan bottommost of nan ninth location tally in, successful crippled 3 of nan ALCS against nan Yankees. You know, that that was a magical moment. No one’s going to hide Oscar Gonzalez’s locomotion disconnected location tally successful the, nan chaotic paper bid in, successful 2022. It’s conscionable that location weren’t capable of those benignant of moments and capable of that benignant of improvement arsenic a hitter, not conscionable a slugger, to, to make them, you know, person capable of a lawsuit to instrumentality astir longer.

Paul Hoynes: Yeah, you know, this is simply a guy, you know, we’re talking astir Noel, who’s been successful nan statement since 2018. The guardians, you know, person to cognize this feline wrong and out. Did he get a, did he get a adjacent changeable this, this past season? Probably not. But there’s also, this is nan measurement that roster is built. You know, there’s guys coming and going and you know, but I deliberation the, you know, his assemblage of work, nan Guardians had a beautiful bully consciousness for it and what he could do and I’m judge they projected to spot what he could do, and, you know, it just. It conscionable didn’t activity retired for him. You know, hopefully he catches connected successful Baltimore and, you know, you know, useful to get regular playing time, you know, but his floor plan correct now is moving against him almost. That plaything is. He’s going to have. He’s going to person to go a batch much disciplined.

Joe Noga: Yeah. And I deliberation he decidedly has opportunities location successful Baltimore. He’s going to get a chance to, you know, show and triumph a spot and beryllium capable to spell retired location and play. But again, I wonderment if his not being successful Cleveland anymore has much to do pinch who’s coming down him much than it did, you know, what he was capable to do aliases show erstwhile he was here. Because you’ve sewage Chase DeLauter, you’ve sewage George Valera, you’ve sewage different options location successful nan outfield correct now, and, you know, possibly they were contented to fto those guys person a small spot more, you know, Runway successful position of playing time.

Paul Hoynes: Great point. I, you know, decidedly with, you know, young outfielders, large Christmas pinch nan correct fielder. But Valera is going to beryllium retired location successful outpouring training. Chase DeLauter mightiness spot immoderate clip successful correct field. Yeah. I mean, it’s a crippled wherever you’ve sewage to be. Until you found yourself, you’ve sewage to beryllium looking complete your enarthrosis each nan clip because there’s ever personification correct down you.

Joe Noga: You know, we’re going to jump into a small workout here, conscionable looking down nan database of, you know, Postseason awards for 2026 and. And who. Who connected nan Cleveland roster correct now lines up arsenic candidates for definite awards and, you know, honors that will beryllium voted connected astatine nan extremity of 2026. So erstwhile we’re sitting, sitting present signaling our podcasts for postseason awards astatine nan extremity of nan 2026 season, who’s going to beryllium nan Manager of nan Year? The Rookie of nan Year, nan Cy Young, nan MVP, and this year, nan caller award, nan Reliever of nan Year Award. You know, obviously, nan Guardians person candidates, I think, for each of those awards. I conjecture let’s. Let’s commencement pinch nan evident one, nan 1 that’s already successful nan bank. Stephen Vogt, to triumph his 3rd consecutive Manager of nan Year Award. I wouldn’t put nan likelihood very precocious of that happening again for a 3rd consecutive year.

Paul Hoynes: Yeah, Joe, he was asked that mobility astatine nan Winter Meetings, what would person to hap for him to triumph a 3rd consecutive Manager of nan Year Award? And he goes, I deliberation his reply was tongue. In cheek, of course, we’d person to triumph astir 120 games. I don’t cognize if that’s going to happen, Joe. I don’t get that benignant of vibe from this team.

Joe Noga: But seriously, though, if they won 120 games, would he beryllium head of nan twelvemonth again?

Paul Hoynes: You know, who knows? I, I would deliberation he would.

Joe Noga: I’m not saying they’re going to triumph 120 games. If nan Guardians spell retired and triumph 120 games this year, I deliberation you person to springiness Stephen Vogt nan Manager of nan Year grant for a 3rd consecutive year. Yeah.

Paul Hoynes: And I don’t cognize if that’s ever happened before. I don’t cognize if a manager’s ever won three, 3 consecutive awards.

Joe Noga: Well, Nobody’s ever won 120 games before, truthful that. We’re talking imagination onshore here, particularly in.

Paul Hoynes: His first 3 years connected a job.

Joe Noga: Yeah, it’s. I pretty. It’s beautiful overmuch that you’re bully astatine what you do if you triumph that grant 3 consecutive years astatine nan beginning. So. All right, let, let’s, let’s get into a small spot much reality here. You know, location are respective candidates each twelvemonth astatine nan opening of nan season, guys that, you know, you’ve ne'er heard of aliases person gotten possibly a sensation of nan large leagues successful September, who statement up arsenic rookie of nan twelvemonth candidates, who successful nan guardian strategy could beryllium a, a campaigner there? Obviously nan feline that comes to mind is Travis Bazzana.

Paul Hoynes: Yeah, Travis Bazzana would decidedly beryllium up there. Joe. Second baseman overall, number 1 prime successful 2024. Made it to AAA past twelvemonth contempt immoderate wounded problems. Interesting guy. And I deliberation he’s, he’s sewage to get to nan large leagues first. Joe. I deliberation nan guy, nan feline that, you know, catches my eye, of course, is J. Lauder. He’s already been to nan large leagues successful a unsocial fashion, making his large convention debut successful nan postseason. But I deliberation he’s the. That group will astir apt really beryllium watching because we cognize he’s connected nan 40, man. We cognize he’s going to beryllium successful large convention camp, and we cognize that he’s going to tie a batch of attention.

Joe Noga: Yeah. And I think, deliberation successful a batch of people’s minds, nan anticipation is that he’s, he’s already won a spot connected nan opening time roster and that, you know, they don’t person a batch of different options, that group are truthful excited and anxious to spot him play successful nan large leagues that, you know, it’s push a fastener and, you know, skip up to, to nan End of March. There, there’s a agelong measurement to spell earlier that, but unless thing drastic happens, I deliberation I’m benignant of successful statement pinch that. Yeah, I deliberation Chase Dilaudder mightiness beryllium nan stronger campaigner aliases nan strongest campaigner for Rookie of nan Year successful nan American League successful nan Guardians statement correct now, and we’ll spot really that useful out. Cy Young. The Guardians person really a mates of guys connected nan roster who could beryllium benignant of nether nan radar, debased cardinal Cy Young candidates successful nan American League pinch Gavin Williams and Tanner Bybey.

Paul Hoynes: Yeah, definitely. I thought, you know, Gavin, you know, to maine should person sewage some, immoderate young information past season. You know, I thought he had a really benignant of a breakout play and, and Tanner has been solid, you know, for 3 consecutive years he’s been there. You know, I deliberation astir apt their champion starter and astir durable starter. So I deliberation some those guys, you know, if things break right, could beryllium successful nan conversation.

Joe Noga: Yeah, the, each twelvemonth I deliberation there’s possibly astatine slightest 1 pitcher successful that, you know, connected nan Guardians roster who, if he has that breakout twelvemonth aliases that, that, you know, performances imaginable should beryllium a information for nan Cy Young, you know, and successful erstwhile years I’ve, I’ve fixed Cy Young information to Emmanuel Clase arsenic a, arsenic a anticipation location arsenic good retired of nan bullpen down ballot vote, but we don’t person that. We wouldn’t person to person thing for illustration that this twelvemonth because of nan Reliever of nan Year award, a caller grant the, nan BBWAA is creating this twelvemonth beryllium nan first twelvemonth it’s, it’s voted connected and, and I tin deliberation of only 1 feline connected nan roster correct now who, well, possibly 2 guys connected the, nan roster successful nan bullpen correct now who would beryllium beardown candidates for that. Obviously Cade Smith, but Hunter Gattis arsenic well.

Paul Hoynes: Yeah, some those guys, very, very durable put in. They’ve had a, they’ve sewage a batch of mileage arms complete nan past 2 years, Joe, including postseason runs, but really, really effective guys. When you look astatine their jobs, to look astatine nan jobs they do, I think, you know, probably, you know, you know, astir of nan attraction to the, I would ideate to nan reliever. The alleviation Pitcher of nan Year grant is going to spell to nan closer, which, you know, possibly short changes, you know, 100, a small bit, but it shouldn’t. But you know, and Cade Smith, you know, we, we’ve seen, we haven’t seen him for a afloat play arsenic a closer, Joe, and that’s really going to beryllium breathtaking this twelvemonth to spot really he holds up.

Joe Noga: Yeah. And nan Guardians besides signed Sean Armstrong. Again, you talk astir that move between, you know, when, when, erstwhile it comes down to voting for this award, do you conscionable ballot for a person aliases do you see setup guys, mediate alleviation guys, agelong alleviation guys? You could break this grant down into, you know, 3 different categories, but for illustration you, I agree. I think, you know, person is astir apt going to get nan astir attraction because saves are a existent measurable statistic that, you know, group value. I, I, I agree. I deliberation Hunter Gattis mightiness get short change, but Sean Armstrong, based connected the, nan play he had past year, as, you know, mostly a setup feline who sounded successful a batch of games, you know, there, there’s, there’s definite worth successful what he brings arsenic well. Do you deliberation we request to break that grant retired moreover further to, to grant middle, alleviation guys aliases setup guys?

Paul Hoynes: Boy, I don’t know. There was specified a statement among nan BBWA conscionable to get this award. This has been going connected for years, Joe. People person been arguing astir this for a agelong time. So I don’t cognize if we could, if we sewage to get, if we’re going to spell to a mediate reliever, setup feline this much, be. This, this is astir apt as, as, you know, arsenic much, arsenic overmuch arsenic nan awards will beryllium stretched for a agelong time.

Joe Noga: I mean, it wasn’t, it was nary uncertainty successful my mind successful position of, you know, you needed thing for illustration this, because I didn’t deliberation alleviation pitchers were getting a adjacent shingle erstwhile it came to nan Cy Young voting. A feline who, who pitches successful 70 games successful a play and, and impacts a club, you know, almost half nan games that they play. I deliberation there’s, there’s a request for recognizing those, those pitchers, and they were, they were not getting recognized successful nan aforesaid measurement erstwhile it came to, you know, Cy Young voting. This, this grant is surely needed and warranted, and I, you know, I dream Kate Smith pitches his tail disconnected and gets immoderate information for it.

Paul Hoynes: Yeah, nary uncertainty astir it. What, Joe? What astir nan mvp?

Joe Noga: I mean, if anybody listening to this podcast doesn’t already cognize who nan Guardians campaigner for MVP this play should be, will be, and will ever be, I deliberation it’s, you mightiness arsenic good conscionable property extremity correct now. Jose Ramirez again, what he’s been capable to do complete nan last, you know, moreover conscionable six seasons, you know, finishing successful the, what, five, what, 4 times successful nan past six seasons? I deliberation thing for illustration that.

Paul Hoynes: He was 3rd again past season.

Joe Noga: Third again past season. Another finalist. I deliberation it’s a, it’s A foregone conclusion that if Jose Ramirez is patient that he’s going to beryllium location successful contention successful nan apical half of nan ballot for nan mvp. Is location anybody other connected nan roster who has nan imaginable to do that correct now for nan Guardians?

Paul Hoynes: Wow, that is simply a awesome question. And Joe, that is what they request if they’re going to beryllium a superior team. They request personification down Ramirez that’s going to push Jose and is going to situation Jose and is going to thief him, you know, thrust successful runs for this club. And I don’t know, Joe, I don’t, I don’t spot it correct now. I dream I’m wrong, you know, I dream somebody, you know, has a breakout season, but I’m not judge who, who I’d benignant of saddle pinch that, those expectations.

Joe Noga: Batman needs his Robin. Right?

Paul Hoynes: That’s precisely right.

Joe Noga: He, that that’s what nan Guardians request correct there. If Stephen Kwan is around, tin Stephen Kwan nutrient capable to, to beryllium that guy? I surely don’t deliberation even, moreover nan very champion of Stephen Kwan for an full season. I still don’t deliberation outshines Jose Ramirez connected his ain roster to garner MVP votes. You know, he, he gives you what he gives you, but it’s, it’s not MVP worthy numbers. At slightest from my perspective, ne'er having voted for an MVP grant that, you know, I, I whitethorn possibly would see things a small differently. But Stephen Kwan, nan only different candidate, nan only different really each prima candidate, value campaigner correct now heading into training campy for nan Guardians.

Paul Hoynes: Joe, 2 absorbing names. Tell maine what you deliberation of this. Manzardo, who had 27 location runs past season. And Kaifus, Kaifus is an absorbing feline to me. We saw him, you know, playing really good down nan agelong successful September. But those are some truthful young. Two young guys. I don’t cognize if they’re fresh to benignant of return that large measurement successful their career.

Joe Noga: Yeah, I don’t, I don’t cognize if you know, Manzardo, I deliberation think to for illustration we said, for illustration we’ve been saying, for illustration Stephen Vogt said astatine nan extremity of nan year, needs to show that he tin beryllium durable and, and execute from opening to extremity of nan season, you know, person that benignant of spot and, and travel successful a small stronger and much durable for, for an 162 crippled run. And, and Kaifus, I don’t think, I deliberation he doesn’t cognize what he doesn’t cognize yet. And this, this play is going to beryllium each astir uncovering out, you know, what he doesn’t know. And if they tin flooded that and go MVP candidates. That would beryllium nan communicative of nan decade for nan Guardians this year, for sure. Coins. That’s going to wrap up today’s version of nan Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast. I will cheque backmost successful pinch you connected Wednesday.

Paul Hoynes: Deal.