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Stephen Means (00:08.948)
Welcome backmost to Buckeye Talk. I americium Stephen Means, that’s Stefan Kreisnick, and that is Andrew Gillis. As we proceed our extremity of nan twelvemonth reviews, position group by position group today, we’re doing nan wide receivers and nan cornerbacks, which some of these two, Stefan and Andrew, person been voicing their excitement to talk astir these groups. And I don’t cognize yet if that’s a bully point aliases a bad point that they’re fresh to talk astir these groups truthful much. So I conjecture we’ll conscionable get consecutive into it.
With nan wide receivers, Jeremiah Smith, 87 catches, 1,243 yards and 12 touchdowns. Those catches and yards led nan Big Ten. He was nan Big Ten wide receiver of nan year. But remember, he was nan champion wide receiver successful nan Big Ten, but not nan champion receiver successful nan country. The champion wide receiver successful nan state was besides from nan Big Ten, but not nan champion receiver successful nan Big Ten. Carnell Tate, 51 catches, 875 yards and 9 touchdowns. And past Brandon Innis, 36 catches, 200.
71 yards and 3 touchdowns. Those are nan only wide receivers who had much than 10 catches this year. JJ continues this streak of 1000 gait receivers astatine Ohio State that dates backmost to 2021.
Stefan, did Ohio State transcend maine aliases autumn short of his expectations astatine wide receiver successful 2025?
Stefan Krajisnik (01:28.328)
I deliberation it’s autumn short. I deliberation they fell short of expectations. thought JJ was astir what you would expect. And that’s that’s very precocious expectations. And he lived up to each that again this year. The car now return took nan measurement that we each wanted him to return arsenic he benignant of moved up from wide receiver number 2 aliases number 3 to number two. And past extracurricular of that, I deliberation you fell short, right? So if nan apical 2 guys met expectations and everyone other benignant of fell short, then
Then nan group arsenic a full benignant of fell short. In my opinion, I thought, you know, I had higher expectations for Brandon successful this. And I understand, uh, immoderate of his numbers are a consequence of, know, Ohio state’s attack pinch tight ends. And he wasn’t needfully connected nan section arsenic overmuch as, you know, guys for illustration a Mecca and different slot receivers astatine Ohio authorities were, um, you know, but that said, like, I don’t deliberation nan group needfully developed successful a measurement that we thought it would develop. Now Quincy Porter evidently battled injuries. So that’s a caveat there, but like,
I thought each 3 of america had beautiful precocious expectations for what Milan Graham would bring into this group this year. I don’t cognize successful nan biggest moments erstwhile JJ and Cardinal were sidelined, we saw much of David Adolf that we saw. Graham, right? So there’s and Bryson Rogers, I don’t deliberation necessarily, you know, made a immense effect this play either. He had immoderate okay moments. you know, I conjecture Purdue was astir apt his champion crippled wherever he had a touchdown, I deliberation against UCLA, but you know, extracurricular of that benignant of fell short of expectations. So, you know, for a portion that, that Gillis and I thought,
Was benignant of unquestioned nan deepest unit, astatine slightest connected discourtesy coming into nan season. Wasn’t that right? You had what you thought you were going to person astatine nan top. And past extracurricular of that, you fell short of expectations. And I deliberation that’s benignant of a reflection connected nan room arsenic a full this year. And I deliberation a batch of what I’m going to want to talk astir is possibly this position group much than any, uh, encapsulates aliases embodies immoderate of nan questions I person astir this discourtesy and this violative approach. So I’m not, you know, I’m not, I don’t want to afloat put each nan blasted on.
Miley Graham aliases Bryson Rogers aliases Brandon successful this because of Ohio State’s violative attack astatine times. But astatine nan aforesaid time, I deliberation we tin each I deliberation 2 things tin beryllium existent wherever nan violative attack possibly wasn’t what we thought it was going to be. And astatine nan aforesaid time, Miley Graham, from nan measurement Ryan Day talked astir him really passim nan season, wasn’t needfully doing things to say, hey, you request to put maine connected nan field, right? So 2 things tin beryllium existent there.
Stephen Means (03:46.548)
Yeah, Andrew, there’s almost this chickenhearted aliases nan ovum speech erstwhile talking astir nan wide receiver group and expectations. Did they not meet your expectations because they weren’t arsenic bully arsenic you thought they were going to be? Or did they not meet your expectations because they weren’t utilized needfully nan measurement you thought they were going to be?
Andrew Gillis (03:59.585)
huh.
Andrew Gillis (04:08.846)
Yeah, it’s an absorbing 1 because it’s like, did they meet autumn short aliases transcend their expectations and past for illustration nationalist title expectations because like, I don’t know, I deliberation that room was surely bully capable for for illustration nationalist title expectations, right? Like I deliberation if we covered assemblage squad a and we conscionable said, hey, you’re gonna person this feline and this feline is your number 1 and 2 receiver and this guy’s your number three, we would person been like, yep, that tin triumph you a nationalist championship.
But like, was it Ohio State expectations? I deliberation hardly no, conscionable because nan first 2 guys were truthful good. know, JJ was awesome. Carnell was besides awesome. Like location was a constituent successful clip wherever I deliberation I brought it up. was like, Carnell Tate’s overmuch person to Jeremiah Smith than possibly I deliberation group want to talk about. Like I deliberation that was for illustration September aliases October wherever it was. And that’s not a excavation astatine JJ. That’s conscionable saying like,
Carnell Tate is nan number 1 receiver successful nan 2026 people successful my opinion. And I consciousness for illustration we’re talking astir JJ arsenic if he and Carnell are for illustration not nan aforesaid for illustration species. So for illustration those 2 were unbelievable. Everything else, I deliberation they fell short and it’s not because for illustration they looked astatine their room and went, well, I conjecture we conscionable person to usage 7 tight ends now.
I deliberation they looked astatine their room and they went, I deliberation Brandon Innis is fine. I don’t deliberation Brandon Innis ending nan twelvemonth pinch 36 catches for 271 yards and 3 touchdowns was an constituent of, no, no, no, no, no, no. He’s really for illustration a first information receiver. Julian Sane conscionable doesn’t look his way. He conscionable refuses to propulsion him nan shot because he refuses to propulsion him nan ball.
Like I don’t deliberation it’s I don’t cognize if it’s needfully that for illustration I deliberation Brennan is is simply a really coagulated number 3 is simply a really bully number 3 successful for illustration a wide assemblage sense. I deliberation I mean evidently he would person amended numbers if he had played pinch not JJ aliases not car now I deliberation but I don’t deliberation this was a good they’re conscionable ignoring him he doesn’t beryllium successful this discourtesy I I I don’t think.
Andrew Gillis (06:33.39)
I deliberation that that’s overblown a small bit. So I mean, we saw what they did successful nan reddish zone. And for illustration you said, Stephen chickenhearted to nan egg. It’s like, OK, they doing this because they’re like, oh, our tired ends are conscionable amended than everybody else. We’re conscionable this is really we tin rustle group disconnected nan statement of scrimmage. Or were they besides doing it because I don’t know, they get to Indiana successful nan Big Ten Championship crippled and you’re trying to load negociate Carnell and Jeremiah a small bit. And it’s like, each right, we they did this against Penn State. They sewage successful 24. They sewage into nan reddish zone.
And they conscionable wide subbed everybody and receiver and they still threw nan wall. Like they didn’t do that this year. And I don’t deliberation that’s because solely they believed truthful wholeheartedly successful their tight extremity group. I deliberation they astir apt looked astatine three, four, five, six successful their receiver room and went, is this bully enough? And I don’t, I don’t know. So, yeah, I, I deliberation they fell short and, and I decidedly benignant of autumn connected the, it wasn’t a
plan to conscionable disregard those guys. deliberation they benignant of operated pinch what they had.
Stephen Means (07:38.955)
Stefan, do you work together pinch that sentiment that Cardinal Tate is not that acold disconnected from Jeremiah Smith arsenic a wide receiver?
Stefan Krajisnik (07:47.356)
I don’t deliberation he’s that acold off. deliberation there’s surely a gap, but I don’t cognize if successful 3 years, 4 years, you told maine that Carnell Tate’s nan 5th champion receiver successful nan NFL and Jeremiah Smith is second. I don’t deliberation that’s a immense gap.
Stephen Means (08:06.006)
would person agreed pinch that earlier their past 2 games.
when they started playing existent opponents. And JJ still managed to person 8 catches for 144 yards and 7 catches for 157 yards successful a touchdown while Cardinal Tate. Jeremiah Smith had much yards successful catches successful 1 of those games nan measurement Cardinal Tate had mixed nan past 2 games of nan season. So if they were equal,
I don’t know, it’s gonna sound for illustration I’m hating connected Cardinal Tate. I don’t want that to beryllium nan case. I deliberation location is simply a sizable spread betwixt wherever they are. And that’s not because Cardinal Tate is not a really bully receiver, but it’s because Jerry Rice’s sanction has been brought up earlier pinch Jeremiah Smith. So we can’t opportunity that and past go, I don’t know, man, nan spread is not that wide betwixt those two. I deliberation that if Jeremiah Smith is successful your...
Hypothetical Stefan for illustration nan 2nd champion receiver 1 time and truthful we’re assuming they for illustration either Jamar pursuit aliases Jack Smith nan jigwa aliases conscionable Jefferson 1 of those 2 is astir apt nan feline up of them and carnal Tate is 5 There is simply a immense spread for maine betwixt wherever 2 and 5 are and it’s conscionable for illustration Jeremiah Smith of nan generational receiver Carnal Tate is simply a very very bully receiver. That’s why we’ve had those conversations Carnal Tate I deliberation is technically much sound than JJ is he’s besides a twelvemonth older
And successful a room afloat of dudes, it’s for illustration Cardinal Tate sewage successful present and instantly became nan champion receiver successful nan room. Cardinal Tate had a normal improvement wherever he had to beryllium for a year, past he spent nan twelvemonth being benignant of a secondary piece. And now he’s a superior piece. I felt for illustration successful nan Big Ten Championship and past nan Cotton Bowl, Ohio State’s discourtesy looked very akin to 2023, wherever it was either we get Marvin Harris and Junior nan shot arsenic overmuch arsenic humanly imaginable aliases we’re going to suffer a shot game.
Stephen Means (10:08.811)
And they did that pinch JJ. They conscionable mislaid nan shot crippled anyway, because they didn’t do it enough. And truthful because that’s why I’m autumn short, because I’m nan aforesaid feline who backmost successful nan outpouring was like, hey, man, this room looks really akin to 2021, wherever you sewage 3 dudes who are options to propulsion nan shot to. You sewage a young backmost who’s sewage a batch of limb talent. I deliberation they’re going to propulsion it astir nan yard. They didn’t really propulsion it astir nan yard.
Unfortunately, Carnell missed immoderate games, and truthful that’s why he’s not a 1000 gait receiver. He missed what are fundamentally stat padding games betwixt Purdue, UCLA and Rutgers. But moreover astatine afloat strength. He had nan large catching into Michigan, nan 50 gait touchdown drawback successful a crippled wherever moreover JJ told america afterward, for illustration I was not close. I was overmuch person to not playing successful that crippled than I was.
having nan dirtiest sluggle seam way immoderate of america person ever seen successful scoring a 40 gait touchdown connected 4th and 5 successful that game, which is crazy. Twice successful their past 3 games, Ohio State decided, no, we’re not going to spell to Jayden Fielding. We’re going to propulsion it to Jeremiah Smith down nan field. And successful 2 situations, he sewage up a touchdown. And 1 of those situations, his style was falling disconnected of his assemblage still. And he was frightened that he wasn’t going to play. But I don’t cognize if I would person projected
six months agone that, Ohio State’s gonna get successful nan biggest games of nan season. And their discourtesy is, please, Jeremiah, prevention us. And that’s what it felt like. And I don’t cognize really nan room sewage there. I don’t cognize really overmuch of that is Brian Hartline was astir nan receivers less, particularly connected crippled days because he was up successful nan box. I don’t cognize it’s Brian Hartline’s nan violative coordinator who’s a play caller, which intends he’s successful complaint of much connected a day-to-day basis.
Right, it’s his occupation to put together nan violative plan, nan believe expanse and each those different things. I don’t cognize if this was nan attack to get suffer his constituent of like, we’re conscionable gonna play a batch much tight ends this year. Maybe it’s each those things combined, but there’s nary measurement immoderate of america would person said.
Stephen Means (12:21.579)
on July 1st, 2025, we’re going to get to nan extremity of this year. And it feels for illustration successful nan 3 biggest games of nan season, which fundamentally were Texas, Indiana and Miami successful position of they played precocious level defenses. And 2 of those 3 games, it turned into please, Jeremiah, you person to touch it arsenic overmuch arsenic humanly possible. And past nan different one, they didn’t fto nan backmost do anything.
And he missed Jeremiah Smith connected an unfastened 40 gait touchdown ball. That is not astatine each wherever why Ohio State’s wide receivers person lived extracurricular of wounded successful 2023 because America was spending that twelvemonth dealing pinch an ankle wounded wherever it feels for illustration it’s a 1 man show. And successful nan playoff, it turned into a 1 man show. And that’s not good. So that’s why it’s.
Stefan Krajisnik (13:09.414)
Yeah, Cardinal did person nan large play against Texas.
Stephen Means (13:13.919)
He did. He had nan 1 clip that they fto Julian opportunity and propulsion it down nan field. So I’ll springiness him that. He did. He did. But it’s just, I don’t know.
Stefan Krajisnik (13:17.04)
Yeah, you made a awesome play.
Stephen Means (13:26.471)
Everybody other successful nan passing crippled felt for illustration an afterthought nan past 2 games of nan season. And I don’t cognize really they sewage location successful a world wherever you person 2 first information draught picks, for illustration bonafide. Cardinal Tate mightiness beryllium nan first wide receiver disconnected nan committee 2 months here. And JJ is decidedly gonna beryllium nan first wide receiver disconnected nan committee successful 14 months. And we sewage to a constituent successful nan playoff wherever only 1 of those guys is getting nan ball. And we can’t blasted each of that connected Julian saying possibly missed a guy.
Stefan Krajisnik (13:57.617)
What is funny is that 2 of those 3 games you mentioned, Texas, Indiana and Miami, Cornell had what? Two of nan teams, 4 touchdowns.
Stephen Means (14:07.346)
Yes. It’s like, this feline gets nan touchdown. This feline gets each different touch imaginable.
Stefan Krajisnik (14:13.361)
Yeah.
Stephen Means (14:16.713)
Nice point astir this group, Andrew, successful 2025.
Andrew Gillis (14:25.112)
points astatine number 4 and 17. I deliberation to beryllium much specific, I deliberation you tin make a really bully lawsuit that this was nan champion 1 2 punch that Ohio State receivers person ever had. And that’s obviously, you person JJ, who mightiness beryllium nan astir talented and nan champion receiver successful this benignant of run, right? Like erstwhile we did earlier Stefan sewage here, it was for illustration starring into some
meaningless crippled that Ohio State was going to triumph by 35 points. did for illustration a Mount Buckmore of Marvin Harrison Jr. And we talked astir for illustration benignant of wherever his rank was. And I deliberation we put him first. And we benignant of for illustration laughed astatine it like, hey, possibly we person to do this again a fewer years down nan statement because JJ and we mightiness person to do this a fewer years down nan statement because JJ. So yeah, nan champion point was nan champion 2 for illustration they were arguably
the champion 2 receivers successful caller memory. know, you know, Allave and Wilson were great. I cognize Emeka and Marv were great. Like I cognize you could conscionable benignant of tally down nan statement of those one, 2 punches twelvemonth successful and twelvemonth retired really from for illustration 2021 connected aliases 2020 connected aliases whatever. those, Carnell Tate and Jeremiah Smith were genuinely elite and Jeremiah and Carnell I deliberation person benignant of
locked them for illustration JJ is surely going to beryllium a apical 10 pick. Carnell everything I’m reference correct now astir you know, now that nan NFL draught bid group benignant of has him going. I don’t cognize fifth, sixth, fourth, for illustration everything’s sewage him going there. So I deliberation successful position of axenic talent, they were connected they were supra ridicule this year. They were they were awesome. And I cognize they sewage hurt. I cognize they sewage banged up. But erstwhile they were some connected nan field, they were, you know,
damn adjacent intolerable to stop.
Stefan Krajisnik (16:27.201)
Before we support talking astir Jeremiah Smith, you guys spot nan stat going connected astir Garrett Wilson this season?
Stephen Means (16:34.773)
how he hasn’t played since week six and yet he ended up starring nan Jets and perceiving yards.
Stefan Krajisnik (16:40.006)
Yeah, that’s astounding.
Andrew Gillis (16:43.118)
Is it maine aliases did nan NFL person for illustration a cardinal of those this year? That’s crazy. A cardinal of those for illustration like, did you spot nan 1 wherever it’s for illustration nan Falcons tied for first successful their section and they were eliminated from playoff contention? It’s for illustration I look astatine those stats and it’s like, huh, that doesn’t 395 yards and he was their starring receiver and he hadn’t caught a shot for weeks.
Stephen Means (16:48.564)
A cardinal what?
Stephen Means (16:56.169)
Yeah, yeah, but that Yeah, yeah, but that different 1 is simply a very large quality of for illustration that conscionable shows you everything astir wherever nan conscionable passing crippled was
Andrew Gillis (17:08.46)
Yeah, that’s crazy.
Stefan Krajisnik (17:09.286)
What’s what? I conjecture thing is much astonishing than nan Jets defense not getting a azygous interception this year, but that’s that’s beautiful adjacent to it. 395 yards successful your past drawback was for illustration mid October. And you led nan squad successful receiving yards.
Andrew Gillis (17:15.918)
Yeah.
Stephen Means (17:18.763)
Yeah.
Stephen Means (17:23.267)
I mean, really galore games for illustration Justin Fields person little than 50 receiving aliases conscionable 50 passing, which is crazy because sometimes you tin accidentally gaffe and autumn into a busted sum and now you’ve sewage a 56 gait game. They couldn’t moreover get that.
Stefan Krajisnik (17:36.967)
Right.
Stefan Krajisnik (17:40.872)
And for illustration looking astatine immoderate like. I they scored 20 points against nan Jaguars for illustration cipher could for illustration move a small spot for you. You cognize what I mean? Like they had 2427 against nan Falcons erstwhile they hit him location like. There were games now and past that they put up thing for illustration it’s not for illustration they were getting unopen retired each week.
Stephen Means (17:40.884)
But
Stephen Means (18:00.701)
Is this your measurement of telling Ohio State fans it could person been worse?
Stefan Krajisnik (18:04.104)
No, I genuinely don’t deliberation Ohio State tin get that bad pinch its passing onslaught unless Ryan Day leaves and for illustration nan triple options for illustration mandated successful assemblage football, which Gillis I’m judge would love. That would beryllium nan worst point that happened to this room erstwhile we get there.
Andrew Gillis (18:18.296)
Hell yeah.
Stephen Means (18:20.905)
Best point astir nan Roman 25, Stefan.
Stefan Krajisnik (18:22.916)
I, yeah, nan JJ Cardinal point evidently is impressive. They some had really bully seasons, you know, some had a conflict done immoderate injury, but I deliberation the, for illustration nan champion point is, is possibly benignant of comparative successful nan consciousness that successful a twelvemonth wherever it felt for illustration your room wasn’t precisely successful its totality astatine its peak. And possibly immoderate of nan younger players you expected to return a step, didn’t return a measurement and you mislaid nan coach that.
Has put together this unthinkable tally of recruiting and processing receiver talent. You haven’t needfully taken excessively overmuch of a measurement backmost successful position of nan trajectory of what receiver play astatine Ohio authorities is right? Like you’re still going to person nan first information prime this twelvemonth and nan first information prime adjacent twelvemonth pinch Jeremiah Smith. You were still capable to onshore a feline for illustration Chris Henry Jr. That came down, you know, virtually to nan wire, right? Like you’re, you’re successful nan operation for, you know, bringing successful some, immoderate portal guys astatine receiver, possibly even
Opening up that way of improving nan room and having receiver play, you were capable to get a receivers coach who’s very established and has had immoderate occurrence recruiting and processing immoderate of nan biggest names now and now successful nan NFL. contempt each nan struggles and nan coaching unit alteration and each this and that that’s travel pinch nan receiver room, nan room is still successful a really bully spot. And nan trajectory of wherever Ohio authorities receiver play is going is successful a really bully spot. And Ryan Day and his offense.
or astatine slightest nan estimation of his discourtesy astir apt play a large portion successful that his improvement of quarterbacks plays a large portion successful that. truthful opportunity what you will astir nan receivers and, you we’ve criticized them already. There’s numbers I’ve written down that I’m still fresh to knock immoderate more, but I don’t cognize is Ohio authorities wide receivers still successful position of for illustration wellness and civilization and conscionable authorities of nan room.
still 1 of nan champion position groups, position rooms successful nan country? I deliberation so.
Stephen Means (20:21.286)
I deliberation Cortez-Hankton’s going to beryllium a homer.
I deliberation nan first guidance to it was very akin to nan guidance group had to Matt Patricia and valid nan reasons why group felt that way. among those group and we were wrong. I deliberation if you conscionable look astatine nan discourse down Cortez, Hankton and immoderate of nan worldly he was doing astatine different spots, it’s like, okay, what if he wasn’t being handcuffed while he was doing immoderate of those things? Cortez, Hankton sewage George Pickens.
Out of Alabama astatine a clip successful Alabama was besides connected a tally of elite wide receivers. He sewage him to Georgia shot places. He went and recovered Lad McConkey arsenic a dude who was rated extracurricular nan apical 1000 successful his recruiting people and lab. McConkey had a 1000 yards arsenic a rookie. He didn’t travel that up, but that’s because he plays for Jim Harbaugh. They for illustration to propulsion nan shot astatine 75 group and tally nan shot 40 cardinal times. I mean, this is nan dude who was nan passing crippled coordinator.
and nan wide receivers coach nan twelvemonth Jayden Daniels won nan Heisman for LSU and Malik Nabors and Brian Thomas were first information graphics. And some of those dudes were beautiful awesome. They’re rookie years. Brian Thomas didn’t travel his up evidently and Malik Nabors sewage wounded this year, but Malik Nabors is 1 of for illustration nan 7 champion receivers successful nan NFL erstwhile he’s patient already. Like very quickly that happened. He had De’Corian Moore committed to LSU and past nan business of assemblage shot sewage successful nan way.
Listen, we tin person our squad wherever it feels for illustration they’re not ever afloat throttle successful nan NIL space. Brian Kelly was really not afloat throttle successful nan NIL abstraction and it costs him De’Quin more. And to beryllium frank astir it, it astir apt costs him Bryce Underwood too, which Cortez Hank didn’t besides play nan domiciled successful getting. So if you’re worried astir personification keeping nan modular that Brian Hartline group here, first of all, I don’t cognize if what Brian Hartline did complete past 7 years is realistic for anybody successful this ambiance wherever assemblage shot is.
Stephen Means (22:23.08)
But if personification were to do it, I deliberation Cortez Hankton has a resume, that if you spell really look astatine immoderate inheritance and find immoderate discourse down it, I deliberation he could, I deliberation he mightiness beryllium capable to do it because he’s now astatine a schoolhouse wherever receiver is truthful pivotal to what they do. He’s not gonna get, he’s not gonna get kid committed successful an 8 months from his committedness erstwhile it’s clip to commencement ponying up.
Ohio State’s gonna go, no, we don’t wanna salary that. I mean, we conscionable saw it Chris Henry Jr. Tristan Keyes, who was a number 2 wide receiver successful 2026 recruiting class. He was committed to LSU for for illustration six aliases 7 months. And past nan business sewage successful nan measurement and truthful now he flips to Tennessee. location isn’t, mean, Giles, you’ve talked to adjunct coaches, really galore times has it felt for illustration I did my portion and now each of a abrupt we gotta woody pinch nan business and I consciousness for illustration I conscionable wasted six months of my life?
talking to a kid and I’m wondering if Cortez Hankton has felt that astatine LSU complete nan past fewer years. Well, he doesn’t person to interest astir that now. And he gets to return complete a room that’s sewage Jeremiah Smith and Christian Rejrnjian Quincy Porter successful it. So I person a batch of religion successful what he’ll be. And I deliberation that’s, I deliberation that’s my champion point astir nan room successful 2025 is that they sewage done this. You still sewage nan 3 guys, astir important guys.
With each owed respect to Mylon Graham, who’s now successful nan portal, Bryson Rogers, who’s now successful nan portal. Listen, they got, they’re going to propulsion their heads up for outpouring believe and they’re going to person Jeremiah Smith, Chris Henry Jr. and Quincy Porter. And we’ll spot what they do successful nan portal to offset that on pinch Brandon Ennis. But I deliberation this is nan champion lawsuit script for nan room. I deliberation that Jeremiah Smith, Cardinal Tate stuff. I conscionable don’t deliberation they tin beryllium portion of nan speech nan measurement that we thought they were going to beryllium portion of nan speech aft nan Penn State game, because that was conscionable benignant that was it.
That was nan past we saw those 2 astatine their afloat maximum capacity arsenic Ohio State shot players. I can’t comparison them to Chris Olavi and Garrett Wilson 2020. They sewage to nan nationalist title game. I can’t comparison them to Marvin and Mecca. They were some 1000 gait receivers. I can’t moreover comparison them to Jeremiah Smith and nan Mecca and Bucca. They were some 1000 gait receivers and won a nationalist championship. Now, what is nan point that these guys person complete each those different guys? They hit Michigan. So sure, that’s their calling card, but.
Stephen Means (24:48.552)
I conscionable don’t cognize if, awesome wide receiver group who didn’t triumph nan large 10 and they mislaid their only playoff game. I conscionable don’t cognize if they could beryllium successful nan cards nan measurement we wanted them to be. So if we’re gonna talk talent, astir apt these are astir apt nan champion 2 from a talent standpoint. But arsenic I said to 1 of our texters, 6143503315, we’re talking astir Bryce Underwood. Talent and bully are not nan aforesaid to me. Talent is what you’re blessed with. Good is what you do pinch what you’re blessed with. And unfortunately,
there was a batch near connected nan array for this wide receiver tandem, which is for illustration honestly nan worst portion for me.
Stefan Krajisnik (25:27.56)
Yeah, I deliberation we’re seeing immoderate of that successful assemblage shot too. I retrieve nan lead up to nan Rose Bowl erstwhile group were picking Alabama because of talent and I’m sitting location being like. If you prime nan 22 champion players connected this field, really galore of them play for Indiana? So I conjecture they’re for illustration judge there’s a recruiting gap, but for illustration is location is location a talent spread astatine slightest astatine slightest successful a playoff crippled wherever you’re not playing your 3D playing, you cognize you’re 1 and a half deep.
Stephen Means (25:52.009)
And also, who cares astir wherever they were recruited by that point? USF, Florida is going to person a erstwhile five-star enlistee connected their roster adjacent season. That’s going to look bully successful nan 247 composite ranking, right? Does it matter erstwhile nan shot gets kicked off? Like, no. So who cares? Sure, Alabama has recruited historically amended than Indiana does, which is besides why Indiana is truthful progressive successful nan portal correct now.
Stefan Krajisnik (25:54.568)
Right.
Stephen Means (26:21.032)
I don’t Kirk Signetti is not retired of nan for illustration we person to trust connected nan portal heavy model yet. He still has to do that for possibly a mates much years. Don’t look astatine nan recruiting class. It’s not for illustration they landed a bunch of apical 100 recruits. They recruited really Indiana ever recruits. So he’s sewage to offset that for a mates much years. But you’d beryllium successful talent. It intends thing to me. Ohio State was much talented than Indiana. They lost. Ohio State was much talented than Miami and they lost. So I aged miss hit Georgia successful their caput coach.
is successful Baton Rouge correct now. So I don’t attraction astir nan talent portion of it, but nan worst point for maine is it feels for illustration successful a world wherever you tin look backmost connected nan Ryan Digg era and each azygous twelvemonth ago, man, they really missed retired connected something. I can’t judge you didn’t triumph pinch this roster. I deliberation these receivers, these two, it’s like, man, I can’t judge location wasn’t much done pinch these 2 arsenic your champion receivers.
I can’t judge Mylon Graham spent 2 years present and we ne'er really sewage to spot what he is. The thought of Mylon Graham is based disconnected of a touchdown drawback successful nan outpouring game.
Bryson Rogers was present for 3 years and we ne'er really sewage to spot what he was. This is nan 1 wherever it’s like, and nan attrition was ever going to happen, but I consciousness for illustration nan wide receiver room and nan cornerback room, erstwhile we talk astir that arsenic well, these 2 rooms are nan 2 rooms wherever it’s like, location are guys leaving wherever they showed up arsenic ideas and they’re leaving arsenic ideas. And truthful we don’t really cognize if Ohio State missed retired connected thing yet aliases not. And it’s unfortunate because that’s nan world we unrecorded successful pinch assemblage football.
Stephen Means (28:05.137)
Anybody tin go.
Yeah.
Stephen Means (29:40.425)
Mm-hmm.
Stephen Means (31:38.186)
And he wasn’t Marv. That’s what you said earlier. I get it, because he’s Marv. He wasn’t Marv.
Stephen Means (32:42.41)
Philip Bell.
Stephen Means (33:00.136)
or conscionable rotating.
They’ve broken.
Stephen Means (33:12.008)
because they utilized to, they utilized to rotate each nan time.
Stephen Means (33:21.418)
Well, no, no, no, what I americium saying is they’re playing slower to return snaps disconnected of people’s belts. Okay, what if you conscionable played faster and played much people? You cognize what I’m saying? they utilized to rotate present each nan time. 28, Dwayne Haskins threw for for illustration 4,500 yards and 50 touchdowns. It’s not for illustration he.
They had a bunch of dudes who had 1500 yards. They conscionable played. They played 4 guys connected nan extracurricular and 2 guys connected nan wrong successful 2019. They played 4 guys connected nan extracurricular and past KJ Hill played connected nan inside. Then 2020 happened and they stopped rotating. They played Garrett Wilson and Chris Olavi and Jameson Williams. Then successful 2021 they didn’t rotate astatine all. They conscionable blew teams retired astatine times and truthful much astir nan opportunity. Plus nan Rose Bowl crippled astir apt hiked up his threat count per crippled for Marvin Emeka.
And past successful 2022, it didn’t rotate. It was Marv, Emeka, and Julian Fleming because Jackson Smith Jigba was hurt. In 2023, it was Marv, Julian Fleming, and past Emeka. And past for illustration Xavier Johnson sewage successful location a small bit. We benignant of saw Cardinal, but Cardinal was besides not afloat patient that year. They person stopped rotating nan receivers and they’re playing nan snaps. So you are correct. There’s nary room.
to play much guys because you’re playing 61 snaps per game. Why play 73 snaps per game? And rotate. There’s nary reason. It besides schedule, I understand, is harder adjacent year. There’s nary logic that Jeremiah Smith needs to play much than 30 snaps against Baltimore State. Like astatine all. There’s nary logic for that. To beryllium frank astir it, I get it correct now. The schedule looks difficult.
But you cognize what besides looked difficult this twelvemonth schedule erstwhile they mislaid 8 starters connected defense and they had nan preseason number 1 and number 2 teams and a bunch of seasoned quarterbacks connected their schedule and they ran done that schedule beautiful easily. So I’m not conscionable going to opportunity conscionable because there’s a bunch of helmets connected their schedule that this is going to beryllium a difficult schedule. They’re going to beryllium immoderate bully teams. They’re going to beryllium immoderate teams that aren’t arsenic bully arsenic we thought they were going to be. There mightiness beryllium a squad that’s amended than we thought they were going to beryllium and that’s going to beryllium that and astatine worst Ohio State is going to spell 10 and 2 astatine best. They’re going to spell 12 and ohio either way.
Stephen Means (35:45.215)
We’re covering a assemblage shot playoff crippled adjacent twelvemonth until I’m proven otherwise. But Ball State, Kent State, Maryland, Northwestern, USC, I don’t respect Lincoln Riley yet. Illinois, why not? Why not rotate JJ Quincy Porter and Chris Henry Jr.? Why not rotate Phillip Bell? Why not rotate Brandon Ennis? Why not rotate insert transportation portal wide receiver here?
You’re right, Stefan. If you’re going to enlistee receiver for illustration this, you sewage to play these dudes are going to leave. And not conscionable but not conscionable because you’re frightened they’re going to leave. You are paying these group now. Which intends you request to find retired whether nan financial finance you are making successful a mile and gram is worthy it. By playing him successful shot games. Versus.
he spent 2 years processing successful nan inheritance while we paid him to do so. And past he leaves present and you ne'er really cognize what you had. So did you conscionable benignant of wasted your money there? I work together pinch you, Stefan.
Andrew Gillis (36:53.324)
Yeah, it’s for illustration if you’ve ever bought thing for your flat and you’re like, you know, it’d beryllium good. Like this caller atom cooker and you bargain this for illustration fancy atom cooker and past you conscionable look right. Like it’s astatine immoderate constituent it’s like, each right, I conscionable spent each this money. I amended make immoderate damn atom aliases what americium I? Why is it conscionable taking up antagonistic space? So it’s like, that’s fine. If you want a atom cooker, I person one. They’re great. It’s really, really bully for chickenhearted and rice. It’s awesome stuff. But
Stephen Means (37:03.951)
Use nan atom cooker!
Stephen Means (37:22.309)
basic repast successful nan world.
Andrew Gillis (37:23.406)
Yeah, I know. It’s I mean, it’s simple. The conscionable to build disconnected of what Stefan’s constituent was, like, who’s next? Like successful 23, we looked astatine that receiving tribunal of Marv and Becca and Julian Fleming and went, oh, well, they person this guy, Carnell Tate. He looks beautiful good. He’s going to beryllium benignant of their adjacent their adjacent successful line. And past this superstar showed up successful JJ, who’s a generational player. So.
it you benignant of sewage double whammy there, but for illustration you saw next, for illustration moreover past twelvemonth we were like, yeah, Cardinal is really good, but he’s nan 3rd fiddle. But adjacent twelvemonth he’ll beryllium nan 2nd fiddle. And you saw capable to wherever you were assured successful it. Right now, your options for J.J.’s Robin are Brandon Innis, which for illustration possibly maybe he gets 80 catches and is electric.
I don’t cognize if you tin opportunity that pinch a full ton of assurance considering he conscionable only had 36 catches. And yes, I cognize Cornell’s leaving, but like, I don’t know. Do you consciousness assured that he’s going to do it? Are you assured successful what you saw from Quincy Porter that Quincy Porter is going to beryllium nan number 2 wherever teams conscionable can’t say, Hey, look, it’s nan Jordan rules against Ohio state, anybody but JJ and we’ll beryllium fine.
He was wounded each twelvemonth and that’s not his fault. That’s not Ohio State’s fault. Like he was hurt, but you person questions astir it. Mylon Graham is gone, but you didn’t really spot a ton from him that would fto you to judge like, Hey, look, mini Garrett Wilson is going to beryllium electrical adjacent year. You didn’t spot that. Are you, are you watching Chris Henry Jr. Highlight Tapes from St. John Bosco’s matchup and going like, Hey, I deliberation he’s going to do this against
Michigan and against Texas. He mightiness beryllium really good, but I deliberation what we can’t do is look astatine JJ and beryllium for illustration a 1000 yards arsenic a existent freshman is normal because possibly Chris Henry tin do that, but it’s not normal. And like, if we’re going to opportunity that JJ’s generational is Chris Henry Jr. generational, for illustration are location 2 generational guys successful 1 generation? I, I don’t know. Like if you want to put Chris Henry Jr. explanation connected that, that’s fine. But
Stephen Means (39:24.81)
I’m saying about.
Andrew Gillis (39:50.42)
My antagonistic to that, and I’m looking astatine this done a antagonistic point, obviously, because it’s nan worst point astir nan position group would beryllium your options for morganatic number two, which Ohio State has had for nan past amended portion of a decade, not conscionable for illustration a morganatic number two, for illustration a first information prime level. Number 2 are Brennan Innis, do to play slot for you who had 36 catches. A dude who was wounded each twelvemonth and is going into a 2nd year. The different feline who’s gone, who you thought possibly could do that.
And past a existent freshman who is six ft six and is electrifying, but is simply a existent freshman. And I deliberation that is important to remember. So it’s like, spell down nan line. Everybody other is unproven. So it’s that that would beryllium my my worst point astir nan group is that location was not a we saw this feline flash against Wisconsin erstwhile it was 20 seven. Nothing to make you think, OK, erstwhile he takes different measurement guardant adjacent year, this is going to beryllium it.
I didn’t spot that. So correct now it’s JJ and it’s a batch of potential. It’s a hellhole of a batch of potential. They person nan imaginable to beryllium nan champion receiving halfway successful nan state again, but it is overmuch little definite than it was past twelvemonth aliases nan twelvemonth earlier aliases nan twelvemonth earlier wherever you were capable to look astatine nan young guys and say, you, you’re going to person 70 catches successful a year. You, you’re going to beryllium a locked successful guaranteed, nary uncertainty astir it, first information prime successful a year.
Do we deliberation Chris Henry Jr. is gonna beryllium a first information pick? Yeah, probably. Can Quincy Porter beryllium a first information pick? Yeah, probably. But like, location were astatine slightest signs of what we had seen successful nan past astir immoderate of these guys. And we conscionable don’t person that correct now. Like we don’t have, for illustration nan evidence, we’re gonna talk, for illustration Stephen was talking astir recruiting rankings astatine nan opening of this. The grounds is virtually recruiting rankings. Like that is nan grounds for a dude being elected.
Stephen Means (41:43.112)
No, I know, but-
Stephen Means (41:47.08)
No, I’m pinch you, I’m pinch you. And this is wherever for illustration utilizing recruiting rankings tin beryllium hypocritical because immoderate places it’s okay and immoderate places it’s not okay. I mean, I don’t, location were not for illustration crazy signs successful 2023 that Cardinal Tate was going to beryllium this. It was much of for illustration a, successful fact.
Andrew Gillis (42:09.144)
You would astatine slightest play them and they looked decent and Emeka came back.
Stephen Means (42:13.851)
Mecha sewage hurt.
Stephen Means (42:18.121)
Good point. Quincy was hurt. No, no, no, this is not astir my leg. This is astir Quincy. Yeah, Quincy was connected nan aforesaid way that Marvin Cardinal were connected erstwhile they first sewage here. Yeah, he mislaid his achromatic stripe for illustration what? Practice number 3 successful nan spring. And he had a really bully fall. He conscionable sewage wounded and he couldn’t get disconnected nan readiness report. So that’s why that 1 is simply a small much like, OK, it’s truthful it seemed for illustration you were astir to do that. You were astir to beryllium nan freshman who showed conscionable enough.
to wherever we went, okay, there’s much location erstwhile you get nan opportunity. I tin unrecorded pinch that. That’s not Bryson Rogers and Mylon Graham not being capable to get disconnected connected nan section complete David Adolph to me.
I mean, look, I’m not saying that Chris Henry Jr. is going to person a 1000 yards adjacent year. I’m besides not going to opportunity he’s not going to person a 1000 yards adjacent twelvemonth because cipher successful nan room correct now did thing that suggests that Chris Henry Jr. can’t get connected nan field. You’re right. He’s not JJ. There’s only 1 JJ. I don’t deliberation he has to beryllium JJ to person a 1000 gait play adjacent year. Justin Ross arsenic a existent freshman astatine Clemson had 46 catches for a 1000 yards connected nan dot and 9 touchdowns. Like JJ is not nan first existent freshman receiver to person a 1000 yards.
He’s conscionable nan champion existent freshman receiver to person a 1000 yards. So I’m pinch you. This year’s room, it’s not a bully motion that a locomotion connected was getting much playing clip than 5 prima recruits.
Stephen Means (43:47.945)
But it goes backmost to mind of like, wonderment really different things would person been astatine Quincy Porter not gotten wounded early successful nan twelvemonth and was for illustration dealing pinch it each nan measurement done nan season. Like we were successful there, Stefan, for that believe earlier they near for nan Cotton Bowl. Did he look for illustration a dude that was for illustration needed to beryllium stepping astir successful nan pads?
Stephen Means (44:09.513)
It was for illustration blippin’ backmost to nan locker room, man.
Stephen Means (44:15.529)
Yeah, for illustration I’m looking astatine Quincy for illustration Go beryllium down, please spell beryllium down. So him getting patient Chris Henry jr. Gets to person nan five-star precocious For astatine slightest I deliberation nan five-star hype tin transportation you done your freshman twelvemonth But you request to commencement flashing it Immediately earlier we started going. All right. Well that five-star enlistee is now for illustration a four-star player. Can I unit our players now 3 star?
production for illustration that. I deliberation it’s okay for correct now. Very speedy answers because we’re complete clip present pinch nan wide receivers, but I knew that was gonna hap because I emotion receivers and you guys are really excited.
Stephen Means (44:59.857)
Yeah, past it’s benignant of a yeah, it’s gonna return a minute. Very speedy answer. Gilis standard of 1 to 10. How bully was nan room successful 2025?
Andrew Gillis (45:09.358)
6.5.
Stephen Means (45:11.219)
Devon.
Yeah, I’m pinch you, Gillis. I deliberation that number 4 and number 17 really transportation that six and a half. Like, I deliberation they’re worthy six and a half points. By themselves. And past you conscionable sewage thing from anybody else.
Andrew Gillis (45:22.606)
Yeah. And past you conscionable sewage thing from nan remainder of it. Yeah. Yeah, for illustration we looked astatine was I deliberation it was nan UCLA crippled wherever some Carnell and J.J. aliases no, not UCLA. It was nan Rutgers crippled wherever some Carnell and J.J. were retired and were like, why is this happening? Why? Why are they moving 14 unit connected first and 10? And it wasn’t possibly 14 unit for illustration they ran against Indiana. It was because Mylon Graham and institution couldn’t get connected nan field.
Stephen Means (45:50.311)
I can’t hold till we talk astir nan Titans, because I’m going to prevention this remark for then. Are nan 2026 starters already connected nan roster and is 2026 recruiting Klaas de Khaan? Yes aliases no?
Stephen Means (46:07.348)
Yes.
Andrew Gillis (46:08.182)
I deliberation it’s I deliberation they’re connected nan roster. I deliberation nan starting lineup is JJ Quincy Porter and Ennis and past Chris Henry Jr is your 4 who rotates successful reasonably significantly. I deliberation think erstwhile nan committee is really bully so.
Stephen Means (46:27.005)
Go up and opportunity it.
Andrew Gillis (46:39.342)
Well, much accurately, possibly nan crippled 2 starting lineup is connected your roster because they play astatine Texas. It’s like, are you going to throw? Yeah. You’re going to propulsion that. Yeah, that mightiness be.
Stephen Means (46:45.641)
This is nan point I’ve ever heard successful my life. Like, God.
Andrew Gillis (46:51.948)
Well, I cognize I was conscionable I was conscionable pointing retired for illustration it’s for illustration they’re gonna get done you’re gonna get done nan first fewer games
Stephen Means (46:53.789)
No, some of you, no, some of you, some of you are heading your, some of you are stepping astir nan question, nan hedget.
Andrew Gillis (47:01.716)
I’m not hedging anything, I’m sticking pinch my thr-
Stephen Means (47:07.473)
No, I work together pinch you. I’m telling you. Okay, truthful fine. Let maine easiness your symptom here. That is not what this mobility is for connected this pod.
who are nan starters? understand, for illustration here’s the, truthful I’ll reply nan mobility and this will maybe, because this is nan reply you guys are giving, I’m going to really springiness nan answer. I deliberation Brandon Ennis is going to beryllium a starter connected time one, nan measurement that CJ Donaldson was a starter.
But their starting moving backmost this twelvemonth was Bo Jackson.
I deliberation that mightiness use to everybody not named JJ.
I besides won’t beryllium shocked if whoever they get nan portal. Brandon and this is sharing a spot truthful good from a method standpoint, Brandon and this mightiness commencement each azygous shot crippled this year. But he I deliberation he’s going to beryllium sharing a domiciled successful 2026 nan measurement that Paris Campbell and KJ Hill did successful 28.
Stephen Means (48:11.433)
Right. So I’m going to opportunity no. I participate for illustration again, I’m conscionable messing pinch you. I cognize why you guys are doing what you guys are doing. You’re virtually you’re doing nan marketplace down Monday hedging point truthful you tin beryllium right. I get it. That’s why I wanted to return that unit disconnected of you guys, because this is not you don’t person to beryllium correct here. We’re conscionable having a speech there. The clip to beryllium correct will show up again. I committedness you. It’s conscionable correct now we’re conscionable trying to person a conversation.
I do not deliberation nan starters that each 3 starting receiver positions are connected nan roster correct now and really progressive they are successful nan portal is why. In fact, I would person said, had they not been looking astatine receivers for nan past week, well, for illustration 5 days since nan portals been open, I would person said, I deliberation you guys are doing it yourself a disservice by not looking astatine nan portal and seeing what’s retired there. They are already doing that, which intends that Cortez Hainton, who is successful Columbus moving already,
He has already started his process of evaluating nan room and going, I request to spell get this, I request to spell get this, I already person this, I already person that. Because past twelvemonth wasn’t it. And I’m beautiful judge his leader agrees. Biggest questions for nan wide receivers going into nan offs. This is not astir 9 months for now, it’s conscionable for nan next.
Four aliases 5 months here, Andrew, what’s nan biggest mobility astir nan wide receiver group heading into nan disconnected season?
Andrew Gillis (49:39.66)
Yeah, I deliberation it’s who tin abstracted themselves to commencement other JJ. Like Stefan was talking astir nan slot guys that they’re bringing successful and that’s And this is evidently still here. But it’s like, is Quincy Porter? Like is he I deliberation he’s really good. I deliberation he’s going to beryllium really bully from everything I understand. That’s benignant of nan prevailing wisdom. But like, is Quincy Porter going to beryllium capable to clasp disconnected Chris Henry Jr.
Who for illustration who is that feline connected nan outside? Because whether aliases not you deliberation successful this is tin of that for illustration 75 drawback type year, 1 of nan things that makes Ohio State receivers awesome is not conscionable that they’re each really bully and they’re each really talented. It’s that there’s aggregate of them, right? Like nobody’s remember. I retrieve that 20 twenty 3 season. was Marvin Harrison Jr. And past a dude who couldn’t moreover play for nan Columbus Aviators tours up like.
Nobody, cipher tin retrieve that. it’s nary retrieve 23 and Mecca sewage hurt. Remember really awesome they could person been. Hey, retrieve this twelvemonth pinch JSN and a Lave and Wilson. So nan point that makes this, this discourtesy typical successful this discourtesy spell is who is it’s it’s who’s your number one, but possibly much accurately it’s who’s your number two. Like, for illustration who is nan antagonistic to nan we’re conscionable going to triple squad this guy. So is it Chris Hunter Jr. Is it Quincy Porter? I deliberation it’s going to beryllium 1 of those two.
Stephen Means (51:06.569)
Stefan.
Andrew Gillis (51:13.55)
The reply is no.
Stephen Means (52:01.257)
As agelong arsenic you know, man, you know, you cognize what’s what’s awesome is for illustration this is nan first clip you.
That’s what I loved watching this year. Don’t put that connected me.
Andrew Gillis (52:09.666)
Yeah, spell watch Nick Lauder.
You talked astir it. You were nan 1 helping them up. Yeah. What’s your favourite position group?
Stephen Means (52:18.345)
Yeah, they were because I was, yeah. You want to cognize why nan wide receivers are my favourite position group? Cause I’m not ever conscionable going to talk bully astir them erstwhile they’re, I’m going to beryllium honorable astir it. You guys are lying to yourselves looking astatine recruiting rankings, not being honest. I do deliberation it’s cool though that this is nan first twelvemonth that you guys person been present wherever you’re not going done an disconnected play wherever there’s a backmost battle. So for illustration nan privilege displacement successful position of for illustration what we attraction about, what we tin talk about. I deliberation you tin get a small spot much nitty gritty pinch nan shot talk.
when backmost is not a speech nan aforesaid way. Sure, we’ll beryllium like, hey, really does Tabin St. Clair look? he look for illustration a feline who mightiness beryllium fresh to beryllium a backup if thing happens? But it’s not for illustration as, for illustration nary one’s going to beryllium charting backmost throws nan aforesaid measurement and trying to measure did this feline do amended than that guy. There’s a clear level this year. this is only nan 3rd clip since Day’s been present that location has been a clear high.
hierarchy and for illustration nan backmost business truthful we don’t person to interest astir it astir arsenic much. I’m not saying we’re gonna beryllium ignoring Julian Sand, but it’s a different speech than it was a twelvemonth agone wherever we’re trying to like, hey, Julian, I cognize you can’t opportunity you’re nan starter, but you’re nan starter, right? Like this twelvemonth we tin talk astir civilization and worldly pinch them.
I want to spot JJ get amended astatine everything that doesn’t person to do pinch nan shot coming his way. Because I cognize he’s bully astatine that.
I cognize he’s bully pinch nan shot successful his hands. I deliberation he’s sewage to measurement up arsenic a sound successful this room, particularly now, for illustration heartline is gone. And truthful he’s him and him and Cortez Hankton request to beryllium successful lockstep for nan adjacent 12 months of his life. He needs to go a amended blocker. That’s not great. And I cognize I had been saying it each year, but like, dude.
Stephen Means (54:11.933)
You make nan block, I deliberation Ohio State wins nan shot game. And there’s a batch of different things that happened. It’s not each connected that play, but everything other trickles disconnected of Miami’s up 7 to nothing. You conscionable deed a large play successful nan passing game. Sure, Julian missed Max Clear connected nan play earlier that, but it could person been 7 to seven.
or astatine worst 7 to three, and it’s 14 to nothing. Like that’s a immense plaything of momentum. That’s virtually a 14-point swing.
And it’s not nan only clip it’s happened this year. He’s got, deliberation JJ is awesome astatine everything different than for illustration nan nitty gritty stuff. And I deliberation that’s wherever I deliberation his adjacent maturation arsenic a receiver needs to beryllium is his beingness successful nan locker room, his beingness successful that room, but past besides arsenic a blocker, because different than that, there’s for illustration thing to kick astir pinch him. He’s awesome successful each different consciousness of nan word.
Stephen Means (55:37.683)
You
Stephen Means (55:43.721)
because I mean he’s nan champion subordinate successful assemblage football. So nan modular is simply a small spot higher successful really he’s gonna beryllium capable to do it. And plus, and why this is important is because of Chris Henry Jr.
Like, Henry Jr. is gonna beryllium attached astatine nan hep pinch Jeremiah Smith for nan adjacent 12 years. JJ is going to be, for Chris Henry Jr., what Marv was for Cornell, what Emeka was for JJ, what Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson were for Marvin Harrison Jr. and Emeka Ibuka, what Terry McLoran was
for our Chris Olavi, we tin support going. that’s for illustration part, it’s not nan only logic nan Mecca came back, but portion of nan logic he did travel backmost is origin he wanted to make judge that for illustration he showed JJ really to do this. All right, good now it’s your move to salary it guardant and you sewage to show Chris Henry Jr. and Quincy Porter really to do this. It can’t conscionable beryllium Brandon Ennis because that’s awesome and that’s culture. You’re nan champion subordinate connected nan team. Your sound matters much than anybody else’s. And that’s each I sewage to opportunity astir JJ origin JJ is great.
Just, know, he’s 20 years old. He’s not done increasing up. He’s not done developing, which is nan scary part. As bully arsenic he is arsenic a assemblage shot player, he is going to beryllium a very scary NFL player. Atlanta.
It’s a really astir we vessel and get for illustration a apical six prime present truthful we tin put JJ and Drake London connected other sides of each different here. How astir that? That’s conscionable maine being a fan. Let’s return a break and past we’re going to move complete to nan cornerbacks present connected Buckeye Talk. And we’re backmost present connected Buckeye Talk 614-350-3315 2 weeks free proceedings 399. After that, we are reviewing each azygous position connected nan roster we conscionable dug.
Stephen Means (57:42.95)
wide receiver and now we are going to talk cornerbacks wherever Jermaine Matthews and Davis and Ibn Nusim were nan starters. I’m going to save.
Lorenzo for safeties, because he was technically much of a information than a corner. So this is much of a. Davidson, Ibn Osin, Jermaine Matthews, Devin Sanchez, Aaron Scott, Bryce West, Jordan Woods speech for now, Stefan. Did Ohio State transcend meet aliases autumn short of its expectations successful 2025?
Stephen Means (59:18.023)
It was me.
Stephen Means (01:00:37.139)
think Denzel Burke was for illustration 2nd squad each rookie this year. He had a really bully rookie year. Yeah, 11 past breakups bully for Denzel Burke. Gillis transcend meet autumn short.
Andrew Gillis (01:00:48.972)
Yeah, aforesaid thing, Stephane. thought they met him. origin I deliberation location were like, location was an anticipation that Davison was going to trim down connected nan penalties and he was going to beryllium better. And I deliberation he was, I deliberation nan Jermaine acquisition was astir apt met erstwhile you return into relationship nan full thing. for illustration we watched that Texas crippled and we thought to ourselves,
Andrew Gillis (01:01:19.406)
Matthews mightiness person an NFL determination to make successful for illustration 3 months, because Jermaine looked unthinkable against Texas. And I deliberation location were immoderate bully really precocious ups for illustration that. Stefan mentioned it, I don’t deliberation he was needfully very bully against Indiana. I deliberation location were different moments wherever it was conscionable like, you didn’t see, you know, moments pinch him. There looked to beryllium immoderate miscommunication successful that Miami game. Like I saw a clip that personification tweeted astir like,
Caleb and Jermaine benignant of getting into it of conscionable for illustration screaming connected nan field. So it’s like, you know, location was, location was thing there. So I deliberation the, what do telephone it? The, nan Devin Sanchez point is absorbing because I deliberation like, this is simply a bully communicative idea. Like, and possibly I tin constitute this successful nan disconnected play of like, I deliberation Jeremiah Smith ruined people’s brains.
because immoderate clip there’s for illustration a highly rated 5 prima enlistee coming in, particularly for illustration nan champion subordinate astatine their circumstantial position, everybody goes, he’ll simply beryllium unthinkable from nan infinitesimal that he steps connected nan field. And I deliberation they’re like, I’m not saying everybody, but I do deliberation location are immoderate group who are like, well, who’s nan adjacent Jeremiah Smith? It’s like, I don’t know. We do nan aforesaid point pinch for illustration six information quarterbacks, right? It’s for illustration you spot it successful nan NFL draught each year. It’s conscionable like, who’s nan adjacent Tom Brady? Nobody extremity it.
It’s for illustration nary number 1 blah, blah is going to beryllium Calvin. Like location is nary different Calvin Johnson. Like they’re conscionable freaks of nature. They’re for illustration Jeremiah Smith is not going to hap each year. The number 1 receiver successful nan people each twelvemonth is not Jeremiah Smith. The number 1 area successful nan people each twelvemonth is not going to instantly beryllium Jarrell Rivas aliases like. Yeah, that’s nan thing. But that’s like, that’s truthful rare. So.
Stephen Means (01:03:09.928)
Derek Stingley was.
Andrew Gillis (01:03:16.27)
I thought he was solid. Like I thought if you possibly lowered your expectations a small spot considering benignant of, don’t know, for illustration Devin Sanchez tin still beryllium a apical 10 prime and not beryllium generational and not beryllium for illustration a, this is nan top area I’ve ever laid my eyes on. So yeah, like, I don’t know. I, I thought it was, I thought, I thought they met expectations for things that group looked astatine and said, you cognize what they were, this was astir apt right. What I expected.
or location were highs and lows that astir apt conscionable benignant of equilibrium retired to what you thought.
Stephen Means (01:03:54.92)
Well short of my expectations. Jermaine was good. Davison stopped holding connected to people.
But you had 2 highly rated recruits successful their 2nd twelvemonth and neither 1 of was fresh to play and they some sewage jumped by a existent freshman.
Stephen Means (01:04:15.43)
And now neither 1 of them are still successful nan room.
and
You know.
Stephen Means (01:04:26.281)
It’s fine, because we each deliberation Jermaine Matthews is coming back. But what if he wasn’t?
Stephen Means (01:04:34.586)
If he wasn’t Aaron Scott would still beryllium here, but he was 2 years successful his profession and couldn’t get connected nan field. Would you consciousness much confident? Would you consciousness arsenic assured astir that room arsenic you do pinch Jermaine Matthews coming back? If he wasn’t coming backmost and you had astatine slightest 1 of those 2 guys stand, astir apt not. Because that’s that’s excessively overmuch of an chartless astatine a position that tin pain you astatine times. So for me, it’s it’s autumn short because
Just for illustration nan wide receiver room location is an constituent to if they They could person rotated if they felt for illustration guys are bully capable to rotate and they didn’t consciousness for illustration guys are bully capable to rotate
Reddit, they played little snaps. So that goes backmost to, tin you please extremity playing for illustration a turtle and conscionable spell to, tin you spell to velocity limit astatine slightest and extremity trying to spell 5 miles per hr each azygous game? But still, I don’t know, man. It’s,
There were 3 5 prima recruits successful that 2024 recruiting class. Edrick Houston had a role. Jeremiah Smith has a role. And past there’s Aaron Scott who didn’t person a role. And I deliberation that’s unfortunate that he didn’t person a domiciled present arsenic a 5 prima enlistee from Ohio successful his 2nd year. So for me, it’s autumn short because I conscionable don’t deliberation that room came on arsenic good arsenic I thought it would travel along. So pinch each everything that Devin Sanchez was, and I’ll talk astir that successful a small bit, you had 2 apical 60 recruits, 1 of which was a 5 prima and they couldn’t get connected nan section successful twelvemonth two.
in a world wherever nan guys up of them were not playing truthful good that you perfectly had to support them connected nan section astatine each times. I really galore times did we talk astir Lorenzo Stiles and like, hey man, I don’t know. Maybe Jermaine Matthews is simply a amended thought than Nickel. Okay, Bryce West couldn’t person been nan commencement Nickel.
Stephen Means (01:06:25.424)
I possibly I’m conscionable much cynical now that players are getting paid and whatnot. And I deliberation I’m much inclined to admit nan players domiciled and why thing didn’t activity retired and not conscionable put 100 percent connected nan coaches than I utilized to be. I still deliberation it’s mostly coaches. I still deliberation it’s for illustration this is why I said to our texture six 1 4 3 5 3 1 five. I deliberation it’s 60 percent connected nan coach to get that subordinate ready. But that different 40 percent is connected nan player.
to besides return nan basal steps to go nan subordinate he is expected to be. And I deliberation earlier immoderate of this, I would person been like, okay, it’s for illustration 85 % nan player, I mean, 85 % nan coach, 15 % nan player.
Best point astir this position group, for me, Stefan,
Is that Devin Sanchez? What? Like, travel on. I deliberation this was champion lawsuit script for his freshman year. He didn’t person to spell beryllium JJ. He didn’t person to beryllium Derek Stingley. He didn’t person to instantly beryllium an each Big Ten level corner, but he did capable this twelvemonth that he had a domiciled connected typical teams and he was their dime corner. And he had immoderate bully reps, he had immoderate bad reps.
but by nan extremity of nan year, he was playing his champion shot against Miami successful nan fabric ball. And I deliberation that is champion lawsuit script is nan dude wherever it’s for illustration arsenic a recruiter, for illustration champion lawsuit scenario, you mightiness not support each these DBs, but if you tin clasp connected to Devin Sanchez and everything is fine. That’s really Tim Walton talked astir him. If I tin conscionable get Sanchez, I don’t care. Everybody else, name, Dorian Brew, McNutt, each y’all.
Stephen Means (01:08:12.89)
Whatever, if I get Sanchez, this is simply a successful recruiting cycle. You sewage him, you played him, he looked beautiful quality. And you’re bringing backmost a seasoned cornerback alongside of him. I deliberation that’s champion lawsuit script for this group. And I deliberation that’s nan champion point astir nan position successful 2020.
Stephen Means (01:09:11.912)
Let’s it.
Stephen Means (01:10:06.099)
Can Lee, erstwhile upon a clip was committed to Ohio State. He flipped to Auburn connected signing day. And that’s, if you inquire Tim Walton, like, is location 1 feline that you’ve mislaid wherever you’re like, man, I really wish we hadn’t mislaid that guy. He’d show you it’s Can Lee. So if they tin get him connected nan backmost extremity and proceed this tally of guys from nan 2023 recruiting people that Ohio State thought they had, and past immoderate things went sideways and truthful they didn’t get them. I mean, they already sewage John Walker arsenic a protect tackle from UC.
CF Caleb Downs was a feline successful that 23 people that they thought they had backmost past and he ends up going to Bama and they get him connected nan backmost end. Maybe tin we could beryllium a portion of this. Stephon’s constituent he mightiness already person done that by nan clip you perceive to this podcast. Gillis, what’s your champion point and past lead america into your worst point arsenic well.
Andrew Gillis (01:10:51.116)
Yeah, nan champion point for maine was nan it’s benignant of pinch 2 people. It is nan improvement that Tim Walton had pinch Davison. Like, I deliberation that’s a really bully motion for for illustration nan early of nan room, which is why I deliberation it’s a bully sign. Like, for illustration evidently having Davison benignant of germinate into a subordinate that wasn’t arsenic grabby. He only had 5 penalties this twelvemonth compared to 16 nan twelvemonth before. I mean, he was virtually averaging a punishment a game.
Stephen Means (01:11:01.224)
There you go.
Andrew Gillis (01:11:20.078)
So those numbers benignant of went down and erstwhile you’re a beingness corner, you tin benignant of unrecorded pinch that. You know, erstwhile you’re erstwhile you’re benignant of asked to do nan domiciled that he is, I mean, he’s 62 pounds. You know, that’s evidently 1 of nan reasons why I’m truthful precocious connected him. like, you know, Davison, I deliberation played very, very well. So that evidently was really, really adjuvant to Ohio State to person benignant of for illustration a existent number one. Like, I deliberation he was their champion area this year.
I don’t cognize really overmuch statement location is astir that. I deliberation he was beautiful intelligibly their champion one. past you, you return that and it’s like, you, you had improvement from Tim Walton that I deliberation benignant of showed you possibly where, wherever this tin go. Like, you know, he was capable to benignant of thief Davis and move this around. And evidently Davis and deserves a batch of in installments for that, but I deliberation truthful does Tim Walton. So erstwhile you’re talking astir a room that
Kinda needs a really large improvement twelvemonth for immoderate guys Jordan Thomas J Timmons. They’re 2 incoming freshmen You look astatine that what nan room is gonna beryllium for illustration successful 27. Okay, Devin’s gonna beryllium present and past what? We don’t we don’t cognize We don’t cognize Two 3 4 5 and you’re gonna request immoderate improvement location and I deliberation Tim benignant of showed his his improvement chops. So
Yeah, I deliberation that’s very impressive. And I deliberation that’s a really bully sign. You cognize that that that what that that’s what you had. The worst point astir nan room. This was really really difficult because I thought they had a beautiful bully year. Like nan worst point that you cognize that I really could benignant of deliberation of was that you did suffer depth. I deliberation that that was possibly my my number 1 point of conscionable you suffer Weston, you suffer Scott and it’s like.
I deliberation those 2 guys were, you know, were guys that you could astir apt count connected to lend successful immoderate measurement adjacent year, whether that was arsenic starters aliases astatine slightest arsenic depth. deliberation losing that is ever a bad. Maybe not bad, decidedly for illustration a antagonistic motion because you ever want to create talent. You ever want to person guys play for illustration I pointed this retired a bunch for illustration look astatine really for illustration look astatine really aged Ohio State’s squad was.
Andrew Gillis (01:13:43.202)
They had 1 starter connected that defense that wasn’t draught eligible. And it was Jaylen McClain who was successful his 2nd year. Like they were not relying connected first and 2nd twelvemonth guys to get it done. They were third, 4th and 5th twelvemonth guys. you know, losing, losing that benignant of pipeline. If you do judge that you are a amended improvement programme than different apical schools, for illustration if you’re thinking, if you deliberation your improvement is amended than Alabama’s aliases Georgia’s aliases Oregon’s or
Michigan’s aliases Notre Dame’s aliases whoever you did suffer immoderate of that now you person to spell portal shopping for illustration that does stink truthful That was astir apt nan worst point that I thought was truthful whether you want to opportunity that’s you cognize You didn’t get them successful nan crippled capable and they transferred whether that was you want to opportunity that you request to rebuild their extent Whatever it was Whatever immoderate benignant of way you want to return pinch that? That to maine was nan benignant of nan worst point astir this group correct now is that that extent that you had been building up? For a twelvemonth aliases 2 is now nary longer there
Stephen Means (01:14:44.518)
Worst point astir nan position group, Stefan.
Stephen Means (01:15:11.335)
Yeah.
Stephen Means (01:16:49.063)
Ohio State’s 2024 recruiting people had 8 guys successful nan apical 150. Three of them are left.
Stephen Means (01:16:58.875)
You want to conjecture who they are?
Stephen Means (01:17:03.067)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Andrew Gillis (01:17:03.499)
Edric.
I’m sorry.
Hmm. 24 aliases is it?
Stephen Means (01:17:14.491)
No.
Andrew Gillis (01:17:17.696)
I should cognize this. Give america broadside of nan ball.
Stephen Means (01:17:24.433)
No.
Just return a swing.
Andrew Gillis (01:17:31.862)
Was Ian Moore? Yeah.
Stephen Means (01:17:33.671)
Okay, that’s your guess? Okay, it’s decidedly what’s your guess.
Stephen Means (01:17:47.355)
next week.
Stephen Means (01:17:56.997)
You’re wrong. And you are wrong, Giles. Garrett Stover. He was number 142.
Mylon Graham, gone, Aaron Scott, gone, Aaron Olin. He near aft his first year, Bryce West, now astatine Wisconsin, and James Peebles successful nan portal. I deliberation I wanna do a pod successful nan adjacent mates of weeks of like, what, why should group attraction astir recruiting successful this time and age? And it’s not a antagonistic pod, it’s conscionable a like, you’re ne'er really done recruiting a guy. So.
Andrew Gillis (01:18:32.589)
You person to re-refer to my video.
Stephen Means (01:18:34.375)
You person to enlistee them each 24 hours. These aren’t 8 apical 100 recruits. And this people is entering nan twelvemonth wherever they’re expected to beryllium for illustration nan bosom of a roster.
Five of nan apical 8 guys successful it are gone. I Remember backmost successful 2019 we made specified a large woody retired of nan truth that nan bosom of that roster was a 2017 roster because for illustration six aliases 7 of those guys popped
Imagine if Chase, ideate if Jeff Okuda, because he wasn’t a afloat clip starter until his 3rd year, he for illustration rotated successful in 2018 aliases Josh Myers, who didn’t commencement until 2019, Wyatt Davis, who didn’t commencement until Demetrius Knox sewage wounded against Michigan successful 2018, which was his 2nd year. So he didn’t commencement until then. Imagine if those guys were like, ah, 2 years in. Can’t stay. Not connected nan field. Somebody’s offered maine much money.
Andrew Gillis (01:19:10.894)
That conscionable bailed.
Stephen Means (01:19:34.567)
We gotta go.
And I’m not saying that to complain. I’m saying it because we’re successful a very different spot successful this athletics correct now. Where you don’t conscionable person highly rated guys conscionable cook it successful nan inheritance anymore nan measurement you utilized to. So we mightiness moreover person to alteration nan measurement we deliberation astir extent and what that intends because backmost past this twelvemonth extent for Ohio State astatine cornerback was a 5 prima recruit.
I don’t cognize if that’s ever going to beryllium existent again astatine Ohio State to this to that grade wherever he’s not a existent freshman 5 prima recruit. Stefan 1 to 10. Quick answer.
Stephen Means (01:20:18.097)
Get lost.
Andrew Gillis (01:20:18.542)
8 ESPN 8 The Ocho.
Stephen Means (01:20:23.676)
Ten.
Stephen Means (01:20:28.603)
Corners were fine. I mean, yeah, Elijah Sirot won immoderate 1 connected 1 battles, but nan past one’s beautiful good. So I don’t know. I don’t show you. Yeah, they scored 13 points. So each right. It happens, man. They had 1 receiver each year, person complete 100 yards connected them. And that was Indiana. So it’s OK. Are nan 2026 starters already connected nan roster successful nan recruiting class, Andrew?
Andrew Gillis (01:20:58.638)
If by recruiting people you mean portal class, past yes, past no. They’re not connected nan roster nor successful nan 2026 recruiting people then. I deliberation they drawback a portal starter. Devin, Jermaine, and past Portal Guy, deliberation that’s your one, two, three. Wouldn’t stun maine if like...
Stephen Means (01:21:02.746)
No.
Stephen Means (01:21:09.127)
which is why.
Andrew Gillis (01:21:28.268)
What is nan portal successful nan 16th? Like if you get to for illustration nan 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, and this is, I’m not reporting anything, but it would not stun maine if you adhd a extent feline successful that operation to thief out. Like if you deliberation that there’s a extent action there, for illustration I would not, I would not be, which is simply a agelong way, a agelong measurement distant of maine saying I would not beryllium amazed if they return two.
Stephen Means (01:21:47.983)
you tin still for illustration adhd group aft nan 16th. They conscionable can’t spell successful after.
Andrew Gillis (01:21:52.94)
I thought you had to person a caller location by nan 16th.
Stephen Means (01:21:56.967)
time.
Stephen Means (01:22:04.668)
Yeah.
Andrew Gillis (01:22:04.92)
That’s what, yeah.
Stephen Means (01:22:08.21)
Yeah. Yeah, that’s good. That’s nan lawsuit by lawsuit ground pinch Ohio State, but also, I mean, Indiana, Ole Miss, because nan athletics Oregon, because this athletics is nuts. They’re to person for illustration a 5 time window. So, yeah, truthful you tin listen. There’s nary rules. Everybody conscionable does what.
Andrew Gillis (01:22:09.838)
Neither do I, okay.
Andrew Gillis (01:22:22.126)
Oh yeah, they’re going to have, yeah.
Andrew Gillis (01:22:27.126)
Yeah, truthful basically, I deliberation they’ll return different one.
Stephen Means (01:22:30.759)
I
Stephen Means (01:22:45.275)
He joked James Greppy asked who nan nickel was going to be. It like, it’ll either beryllium maine aliases 1 of nan coaches. it’s like, it’s funny, but yeah, you astir apt should. Yeah. I’m assuming you work together pinch that Stefan truthful we tin move on. biggest mobility for nan position group heading into nan disconnected season.
Andrew Gillis (01:22:53.698)
All jokes person a curl of truth.
Stephen Means (01:23:12.167)
Yeah, no.
Stephen Means (01:23:33.484)
go ahead, Gillis earlier you know, I spell haywire here.
Andrew Gillis (01:23:38.478)
Yeah, well, we tin conscionable make this a Devin Sanchez mobility because excavation is, is Devin Sanchez not conscionable fresh to start, but erstwhile you spell to Austin, Texas connected September 12th, I deliberation that crippled is, is he fresh to denote himself to nan world arsenic lockdown? This feline is nan number 1 area successful nan 2028 draft.
Stephen Means (01:23:41.383)
Okay, cool.
Andrew Gillis (01:24:07.564)
I that’s that’s right. Is is that it? Like, is he going to put himself? I deliberation that is nan day. And I deliberation you request to spot signs of it beforehand. So is that nan time wherever Devin Sanchez enters nan ballpark pinch different number 1 corners? He puts himself successful conversations pinch dudes who person gone successful nan apical 10 will spell in
the apical 10. So yeah, to me, it is astir building towards that game, right? Like is Jaday Baron, nan kid retired of Texas a fewer years ago, for illustration is he arsenic bully arsenic him? Is he arsenic bully arsenic Leonard Moore, nan presumptive 27 number 1 area and different sanction for illustration is is Devin Sanchez successful that category? And I deliberation we’re going to find that out.
deep successful nan bosom of Texas while Stefan and I person cowboy hats.
Stephen Means (01:25:09.543)
So Brandon Finney astatine Oregon, which I deliberation is absorbing because he wasn’t their highest rated cornerback successful that class. And he evidently was right. So him, there’s almost this Denzel Burke effect to Brandon Finney wherever it’s like, man, that’s not a guy. If you’d said 12 months ago, hey, 1 of these DBS successful Oregon’s recruiting people wherever they would intelligibly they would person you connected trying to find DB talent, which 1 of these guys is going to beryllium for illustration barroom nary of stud by nan extremity of nan year.
Andrew Gillis (01:25:12.02)
that dude’s very good,
Stephen Means (01:25:39.111)
think astir group would person astir apt assumed Naeem aliases Trey McNutt aliases Doyan Brew first and it’s Brandon Finney and he’s an American shot player.
Stephen Means (01:25:49.519)
I opportunity that to opportunity that.
The outpouring erstwhile nan outpouring games gonna beryllium what for illustration April thing April 15th aliases thing for illustration that trying to opportunity erstwhile nan spring
Andrew Gillis (01:26:01.428)
Yeah, it’s ever for illustration this Saturday earlier nan draft.
Stephen Means (01:26:04.552)
Yeah, but they mightiness beryllium moving it up. It’s not gonna beryllium nan 11th aliases nan 18th.
Stephen Means (01:26:12.699)
So let’s opportunity this, by May 1st, Devin says, we should beryllium stepping distant from outpouring believe reasoning that’s nan champion cornerback successful nan Big 10. And his only title is Brandon Finney.
That should beryllium nan extremity for Devin astatine this point, because I mean, you’re right. I don’t deliberation we did it past year. Once he was present erstwhile he was a recruit. Sure. Because that’s a different speech of for illustration america trying to stress really important he is to nan recruiting class. Once he was here, I do not deliberation immoderate of america were like, Devin Sanchez is going to beryllium nan champion backmost successful assemblage football.
by week six, nan measurement that Jeremiah Smith was nan champion wide receiver successful assemblage football. I thought we were very responsible pinch really we talked astir him. And nan truth that he had a domiciled was like, okay, now we person thing to activity with. He is going to commencement adjacent year. And Aaron Scott hopping successful nan portal was each nan validation we needed to cognize that, Devin Sanchez is going to beryllium a starting area adjacent year. It’s conscionable going to beryllium other of Jermaine Matthews alternatively of other of Aaron Scott.
Yeah, it’s it’s he if I had to make a database of for illustration guys who request to turn up this offseason and I don’t mean that negatively because sometimes erstwhile you opportunity ohio a feline needs to turn up, it’s going to beryllium immature. No, he’s conscionable a existent freshman. Who is going from mini domiciled that you tin grip to you are now going to play 65 snaps and maine and him talked astir that earlier nan Cotton Bowl. The truth that we talked astir nan Illinois crippled and that was nan first clip he had ever played that galore snaps earlier he admitted to me. That’s nan first clip he had ever played 60 positive snaps successful his life.
let unsocial conscionable successful college. And he played successful a beautiful precocious level section and down location successful North Shore successful Texas, for illustration him and nan coin more. I’ve been going retired for years and he had ne'er played that galore snaps before. And that was a precocious lever situation. And I thought Stefan, he had immoderate bully moments, but he besides had immoderate moments wherever it’s like, you astir apt want that rep back, but besides you are excessively freshmen. So it makes sense. Cool. You sewage your feet wet. You cognize what you’re doing now. Time to go 1 of nan champion cornerbacks.
Stephen Means (01:28:20.239)
in assemblage football. Time to go a dude who shuts down an full broadside of nan field.
Stephen Means (01:28:29.051)
Because if Ohio State is utilizing nan portal this twelvemonth to put a batch successful their D line, whether that’s successful retaining Kenyatta Jackson and Cade McDonald and pairing that pinch nan maturation of Zion Grady and Edrick Houston and connected down nan list, aliases it’s Chas Coleman and John Walker and whoever, immoderate it looks like, Ohio State is intelligibly putting an finance successful nan protect statement this year.
and trying to get guys via portal aliases retention of guys who were already connected nan roster. It does not look for illustration nan aforesaid finance is being placed successful extracurricular cornerback because they consciousness they person already made that finance pinch retaining Jermaine Matthews and having Devin Sanchez twelvemonth 2 and twelvemonth three. Validate that finance and nan measurement we deliberation that I deliberation Devin Sanchez is going to beryllium nan number first cornerback taken disconnected nan committee successful 20 twenty nine. Brandon Finney.
Andrew Gillis (01:29:17.548)
What?
Stephen Means (01:29:25.103)
has already done his part.
to make an early lawsuit for a while beryllium wrong.
Stephen Means (01:29:35.111)
It’s spell clip for Devin Sanchez for nan adjacent 2 years. And that starts this outpouring pinch benignant of validating, okay, yeah, this is 1 of nan champion cornerbacks successful nan large time.
Andrew Gillis (01:29:42.594)
So I don’t want to belabor nan constituent here, but I americium funny for illustration what you guys person to say. Quick disconnected nan apical of your head. Devin Sanchez is nan blank astir important subordinate connected Ohio State’s roster. Let’s exclude Sane because Sane’s number one. So non-Sane list. What percent aliases what number is he connected nan rank connected the
most important rank to if Ohio State wants to beryllium really bully and triumph a nationalist title, this dude’s sewage to play up to his potential.
Stephen Means (01:30:16.615)
He said we’re each 35 and 10.
Andrew Gillis (01:30:19.668)
Interesting. Okay. Because I was reasoning possibly like, I deliberation I would astir apt person him apical five.
Stephen Means (01:30:25.925)
Yeah, but past you commencement listening disconnected players and it’s for illustration Jeremiah Smith, Bo Jackson.
Andrew Gillis (01:30:29.568)
Yeah, I deliberation he’s much important than Bo Jackson.
Andrew Gillis (01:30:36.864)
He’s certainly, I deliberation he’s surely gonna beryllium better.
Stephen Means (01:30:43.399)
Yeah. You start, you commencement listening disconnected for illustration Austin, Ian Moore, Josh Padilla, Gabe Ansick. It’s conscionable like, commencement listening disconnected guys and each of a abrupt Devin Sanchez, he conscionable starts falling retired of it. Yeah. Yeah. The, premise of what you’re asking is fair. It’s just, if we had a semantic speech astir it, you
Andrew Gillis (01:30:43.456)
Yeah, truthful is Austin Cerebell being a play near tackle? Yeah. Sure.
Andrew Gillis (01:30:53.122)
Yeah, I deliberation that’s fair.
Andrew Gillis (01:31:02.338)
Basically, really important is simply a existent lockdown number 1 area to Ohio State? Because I deliberation Devin tin do that possibly amended than anybody else.
Stephen Means (01:31:06.213)
It is.
Stephen Means (01:31:09.775)
I deliberation successful a world wherever nan linebackers were nan existent undoubted weapons this year, I don’t cognize if we will opportunity that for definite that nan linebackers are nan limb this year. So you go, okay, where’s your weapons?
Andrew Gillis (01:31:14.466)
Mm-hmm.
Stephen Means (01:31:21.509)
And if Devin Sanchez aliases Jermaine, we tin propulsion him for illustration if either 1 of those guys turns into a feline who adjacent twelvemonth teams can’t propulsion to that broadside of nan field. That will do wonders for nan different 10 guys connected nan field. And nan logic why we’re putting it connected Devin is because he was nan champion backmost successful his recruiting people and arsenic a existent freshman astatine Ohio State University, wherever location was a 5 prima enlistee who was a twelvemonth older than him, he still managed to play 300 positive snaps. And played for illustration location were 3 existent freshmen.
who played against Texas. Jarques Carter played 1 snap, Nate Roberts played 1 snap, Devin Sanchez played for illustration 12. Like he, successful precocious leverage snaps, he was connected nan field. And they didn’t conscionable do that conscionable to do it. They did it, one, because they invested a batch him and they needed to quickly find retired what he was. But besides because that mightiness do wonders for a feline going into his 2nd twelvemonth astatine Ohio State. Biggest question, Mark Gillis, for nan corners successful 2026. Heading into nan disconnected season.
Andrew Gillis (01:32:21.954)
What? That was it. Yeah, that was that we already talked about. Yeah, that was my it was is Devon Sanchez fresh to beryllium a number 1 area for September 12th against Texas because that is nan crippled nan first clip that we’re going to spot it. We’re going to perceive astir it. We’re going to watch it. But I don’t for illustration you’re going to person it’s going to beryllium that crippled is going to beryllium a 630 section footwear connected ESPN and. He amended beryllium fresh to spell so.
Stephen Means (01:32:23.741)
So that was your order? Okay.
Stephen Means (01:32:47.207)
Stephara.
Andrew Gillis (01:32:51.234)
Yeah, we already did that. We conscionable sewage disconnected connected specified a Devin point that we benignant of mislaid nan question.
Stephen Means (01:32:51.523)
Okay. Okay. Well, we did. Okay. Well.
dibs connected nan bus. 614-350-33105, 2 week free trial, 399 aft that. That’s why receivers and corners will do tight ends and safeties tomorrow, which was going to beryllium a nosy speech astir tight ends. Oh Lord. 614-350-33105, 2 week free trial, 399 aft that. For Steph connected Christ, Nick and Andrew Gillis, I’m Steve Amiens. Talk to you guys later.
Stephen Means (01:33:27.944)
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