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ARLINGTON, Texas -- Ohio State’s play is complete aft a 24-14 nonaccomplishment to Miami successful nan Cotton Bowl.
On this postgame section of Buckeye Talk, Stephen Means, Stefan Krajisnik and Andrew Gillis break down OSU’s nonaccomplishment and what’s adjacent aft a disappointing decorativeness to nan season.
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Stephen Means (00:04.302)
Welcome backmost to Buckeye Talk. I’m Stephen Means, Estefan Christen, and that is Andrew Gullis. Ohio State’s play has travel to an extremity aft a 24 to 14 nonaccomplishment to Miami successful nan Cotton Bowl. The Hurricanes will play nan winners betwixt Georgia and Ole Miss successful nan Fiesta Bowl adjacent weekend, and nan Buckeyes won’t play different assemblage shot crippled until adjacent August aliases September, immoderate measurement nan almanac benignant of falls there. So there’s almost for illustration 2 ways to look astatine this.
stuff connected there’s for illustration nan OK, but wrong nan play and past there’s for illustration nan bigger image speech astir wherever this programme possibly is headed and you you you’ve been talking astir immoderate of this stuff. It feels for illustration each rumor that we person possibly had pinch this Ohio State shot squad for 13 games yet spot them and crippled 14 and now their play is complete because of those things. Yeah, if you it’s truthful funny, for illustration if you looked astatine this crippled and I wrote astir it astatine nan buzzer just.
Okay, what’s things that wounded them? Okay, issues connected nan correct broadside of nan violative line. We’ve been saying that for a while. Kicker, we’ve been saying that for a while. Red area issue, for illustration nan first prime that prime six came successful in their first reddish area drive. That’s an issue. You know, 1 point that like, varies benignant of lingua successful cheek, we talked astir arsenic an rumor was for illustration Jeremiah Smith’s blocking.
that ended up being important connected that prime six. Like everything that went incorrect for Ohio State, it benignant of feels for illustration to immoderate grade we had mentioned it this twelvemonth and possibly it was viewed, I’m saying for illustration fans viewed it this way, I deliberation we astir apt viewed it ourselves arsenic like, we’re astir apt nitpicking this squad a small bit,
I conscionable kept reasoning astir aft that Penn State crippled erstwhile Ryan Day had his play presser and he talked astir really they had had a squad chat astir really it was a chromatic that killed Goliath and nan communicative of David versus Goliath and each that. And it conscionable stuck pinch maine wherever it was like, I deliberation Ryan Day knows that immoderate of these issues could extremity up causing them.
Stephen Means (01:55.954)
And it each happened successful nan aforesaid time. And frankly, it happened against Indiana, too. Like a batch of those issues are why they mislaid against Indiana arsenic well. And you benignant of beryllium present and you look backmost astatine this season, you say, yeah, I conjecture we benignant of knew that this would beryllium really they would lose. Right. Because I deliberation different thing, too, is like.
We had spent truthful overmuch of play saying erstwhile they request to measurement connected it, they tin measurement connected it offensively. Maybe that was a chromatic arsenic good of like, I don’t know, are we definite that erstwhile they request to measurement connected it, they tin measurement connected it? So you benignant of look astatine this game, it benignant of feels for illustration a microcosm of everything that has gone incorrect successful Spurs this season. And it’s a shock. It’s a weird measurement for nan play to extremity because location was truthful overmuch promise. And aft that Michigan game, you’re reasoning to yourself.
This squad is truthful good. They’re undefeated.
and they conscionable yet sewage complete nan hump of beating their rival. And past they suffer their adjacent 2 games and nan season’s over. And it feels like, it feels conscionable very incomplete erstwhile you look astatine what this squad did this year. for illustration you said, it makes for immoderate absorbing conversations going guardant astir what’s adjacent for nan program. And erstwhile you opportunity like, what’s adjacent for nan program, I don’t deliberation immoderate of america interest astir for illustration a bottoming retired type of thing, but it’s like, okay, really do you get backmost to nan upland top, winning a nationalist championship, right? Because we tin talk astir really awesome Ohio State has been complete nan people of nan past 50 years.
But their nationalist championships usually travel 10 years apart. This is not a squad that was for illustration Georgia winning backmost to back. So Bama winning 1 each different year. This is simply a awesome programme that has benignant of these gaps and spread being a comparative word because there’s programs like.
Stephen Means (03:27.818)
the squad that conscionable hit them aliases Nebraska wherever nan gaps are a lot, a batch wider. But it’s an absorbing spot for nan programme and what’s adjacent successful position of trying it backmost to a accordant level. It starts pinch addressing a batch of those things that person been an rumor passim nan season. possibly for illustration we look astatine kicker and correct guard, possibly you spell backmost moreover to adjacent season. It’s for illustration these were stones that we saw past play excessively that carried into this twelvemonth and coiled up costing you. So it’s a very absorbing spot and a very weird ending to nan play that has truthful overmuch promise.
Cause it’s for illustration to that constituent that Andrew, because it’s like, it’s 1 point to spell like, oh, really does Ohio State suffer a shot game? It’s different point for it to really play retired that way. Is location immoderate portion of you that’s like, origin we, really galore times did we inquire this year, Hey, what are nan issues? Okay. Are they bad capable that it will costs Ohio State nan game? And nan truth that starting pinch nan violative line, Julian sang retired activity 16 times this season, Indiana and Miami are responsible for 10 of them. Like, I don’t cognize if, could you person projected that?
coming disconnected of that triumph complete Michigan, that a feline who had been sacked six times heading into nan postseason would fundamentally triple his number almost. That’s crazy. That’s a bully measurement of summing it up. Yeah, I’m trying here. Everything, I think, is now nether evaluation.
I deliberation it’s wholly adjacent for fans to beryllium there. I’ll instrumentality pinch nan violative statement because there’s a bigger constituent that you were talking astir connected nan section that I could bring up. I’m going to instrumentality pinch nan violative line. I deliberation there’s an constituent of.
This is wherever possibly recruiting battles person ditched successful nan down because you didn’t really consciousness for illustration you had an action astatine correct defender for a mates of months now because everybody that had been listening to this and watching Ohio State football, which is everybody that’s listening to this, went, is simply a problem and they sewage to fig it out. And they didn’t consciousness for illustration they had an option. And I deliberation coming possibly showed you why. Is that a mobility of improvement pinch Tyler Bowen?
Stephen Means (05:41.556)
He’s conscionable successful his first twelvemonth and violative statement play tin return a small spot and blah blah blah. But for illustration it’s a coaching rumor because it’s a unsocial business pinch nan violative statement because there’s 2 guys and location were 2 very, you know, chopped delineations location wherever we talked astir Justin Fry and recruiting. So it’s like, possibly this is wherever that showed up and possibly this is wherever coming showed up because you mislaid Sarah Bell and he goes down and.
you mislaid Van Sickle because he couldn’t hack it, right? And now, you know, you conscionable benignant of look astatine it and you opportunity you didn’t person nan options. You didn’t have, you know, nan guys fresh to go. So is that development? Is that recruiting? Is that scheme? I don’t know. They look to fig immoderate worldly retired successful nan 2nd half. It’s just...
I conjecture I’ll spell into it now. They were slow to react, it felt like, to things tonight, and it felt for illustration they were slow to respond to things benignant of each year. I mentioned this a mates of times, sometimes erstwhile you effort to displacement into 5th gear, you stall for a minute, and they did tonight. And they were down 14-0, and I cognize 1 of those plays was a prime six, but they stalled, and they were slow to get retired of nan gate, and it costs them. Miami scored 14 points successful what, for illustration 4th and a half, and they had a prime six, and past they scored
the last touchdown, which Ohio State virtually fto them score. But they were astir apt going to people anyway, aliases astatine slightest correct connected nan clock. So it’s for illustration they were slow to respond to benignant of cranking nan discourtesy into gear. I don’t cognize if it would person changed anything, but I don’t deliberation it’s an unreasonable mobility to say. I don’t know, had you played Josh Padilla against Illinois? Had you played immoderate of these guys possibly a little? Van, person you gotten him a small much Padilla injury, obviously. The Padilla wounded hurt, but you commencement to wonder, each right, maybe.
Maybe this, know, possibly if you had done that, possibly you’re successful amended spot. Maybe Gabe Vance Hickle doesn’t struggle for illustration he did tonight. Like Ryan Day, it’s very rare, I think, for him to constituent retired an individual struggles. And he mentioned Gabe Vance Hickle did struggle coming successful his first game.
Stephen Means (07:42.318)
I deliberation they were slow to respond to nan kicking game. I understand possibly you don’t person an option, but everybody watching this aliases listening to this, nary of you guys had assurance that Jaden Fielding was gonna make that kick. And that’s not because he missed 3 kicks beforehand, it’s because you knew what was going on. And it just, they put themselves down nan 8 shot for a batch of these situations, nan violative line, nan play calling, unit changes, staff, it just, it felt for illustration immoderate of this was avoidable and they were reactive.
not proactive and that was why I credited them for making that move to coming from heartline from nan play calling because I thought that they were trying to get up of a imaginable problem successful nan road. But location were conscionable excessively galore issues this twelvemonth wherever successful an emergency erstwhile you sewage to spell 100 miles an hour, it took them a infinitesimal and it costs them nan crippled and it costs them nan season. With that being said, if Julian Sand doesn’t propulsion a prime six, I deliberation they triumph this shot game.
Yeah. So it’s for illustration that’s that’s benignant of nan shot constituent to it. Like sometimes you suffer shot games because shot worldly happens for illustration talking astir for illustration that was an astonishing play by Katya Scott. Right. And truthful nan logic I bring that up and I’ve brought up jokingly a mates of times now, but conscionable for illustration each nan things we’re talking astir are true.
But I deliberation portion of nan logic we ever look astatine it and we’re like, are we nitpicking this team? Are we nitpicking this team? Is because sometimes I deliberation we spell truthful acold down nan roadworthy of Ohio State mislaid nan crippled because of each these different issues that we almost devalue nan truth that for illustration sometimes this is simply a matchup game. And sometimes matchup games travel down to simply they effort to propulsion a bubble surface to Brandon and it’s Jeremiah Smith missed nan block. And if you miss a artifact connected a bubble screen.
Either nan play is going to get blown up and it’s a nonaccomplishment of yards aliases trying to beryllium a prime six. Best lawsuit scenario, he complete jumps it, Brandon, and it gets it anyway. And now it’s 1 connected 1 and he gets a touchdown retired of it, right? That’s what a bang bang play is. So I almost want to for illustration really overmuch of it is for illustration Ohio State’s ain flaws costed its play versus Miami’s a bully shot squad and they mislaid to a bully shot team. We’re like, you’re right. They mislaid by 10 points.
Stephen Means (09:55.81)
from a betting measurement, but that’s because they allowed them to people because they wanted to make judge they had capable clip to do thing aft that. So I get that. for illustration really much, if we had to springiness a percent of really overmuch of why Ohio State mislaid coming is because Ohio State and its ain flaws versus.
I don’t know, Miami’s beautiful good. Carson Beck made immoderate plays pinch his legs that possibly nary of america were anticipating him making. And it came down to 1 bang bang play that fundamentally allowed Miami to bargain 7 points. On what would person been a reddish zone, would thrust that wouldn’t been points for america if they were successful nan reddish zone. Yeah, I conjecture you can’t guarantee points because it wasn’t a touch. I mightiness person missed nan section goal, but.
Stephen Means (10:35.093)
I deliberation possibly nan champion measurement to say, origin yeah, don’t, you don’t want to return distant from what Miami did. I don’t deliberation that’s what we’re doing. I deliberation we’re conscionable talking astir Ohio State because we screen Ohio State, but I deliberation you tin look astatine this and opportunity Miami’s players made much plays successful large situations than Ohio States did, but it besides felt for illustration Miami’s unit put their players successful amended positions to make those plays consistently than Ohio State unit did. And immoderate of that mightiness beryllium unit shuffling. Some of that mightiness beryllium everything that’s gone into.
Ohio State get into this constituent successful position of wherever it is offensively, right? There’s their attack passim nan season. Was that possibly nan correct point to do? Was that nan incorrect point to do, right? So for illustration there’s a batch that goes into this. So yeah, Miami made nan plays. But if you’re an Ohio State fan, you’re besides telling yourself it felt for illustration their staff, Miami staff, put them and put their players successful amended positions, right? Because for illustration it felt for illustration it took excessively long. Like I was reference immoderate of nan matter that Andrea sent to our matter aliases 614-350-3315 from Ryan Day’s property conference.
And Ryan was asked astir like, you know, we’ve each been benignant of waiting for ft connected nan pedal. Do you consciousness for illustration possibly that, you know, wasn’t needfully arsenic easy to do aliases nevertheless nan mobility was phrased. And Ryan Day’s benignant of consequence was like, well, we did commencement going tempo. It’s like, well, it was benignant of excessively small excessively late. And like, why, why was that not portion of nan scheme coming into this thing? I person a problem. I felt for illustration Miami, they felt for illustration Ohio State coaches didn’t needfully ever put their players successful nan champion position either. I person a problem pinch that answer. I wasn’t successful there. I was successful nan locker room. I talked pinch Matt Patricia. talked pinch Tyler Bowen.
I don’t for illustration that reply astatine each because it’s almost missing nan constituent of
put your ft connected nan gas. I deliberation we’re not asking you really galore times you went hurry up. Okay, truthful nan nonstop point is connected nan thought of pushing nan state pedal astatine nan correct clip connected offense. They said they played pinch Temple today, but they’ve sewage to make judge they’re getting nan correct plays and doing what they request to get first out. It wasn’t done adjacent bully enough. In essence, they weren’t capable to get started. I don’t for illustration that. That’s not, we’re not asking you really travel you didn’t spell nary huddle, hurry up, football.
Stephen Means (12:40.141)
for 60 minutes, we’re asking you person weapons that it doesn’t consciousness for illustration you ever maximize and usage connected a play and week retired ground and you’re playing slow. You drove nan velocity limit pinch Lamborghini. But it doesn’t moreover consciousness for illustration you’re driving nan velocity limit. That’s nan thing. It’s it almost feels for illustration sometimes it’s 45 miles per hr and they’re going 25 successful an effort to.
Maximize ratio while minimizing effect sometimes, right? It’s a point now nan conception of They if you look astatine really galore plays they’ve played this year. They person fundamentally shaved disconnected for illustration 2 games worthy of plays For nan for nan agelong haul because they’re looking astatine nan bigger picture. They are load managing nan season, but they’re doing it successful a measurement that They’re almost playing against what their quality is
And past you’re conscionable expecting to conscionable do what you’re expected to beryllium capable to do people whenever you want to do it. So it’s not astir for me, snapping nan shot each 7 seconds. It’s you’re not snapping nan shot each 7 seconds.
You’re not being aggressive. You’re not being innovative. You’re not being imaginative pinch your passing attack. How galore times person we had nan speech wherever it felt for illustration their discourtesy was tally connected first down. If you get to 2nd and short, possibly you’re taking a changeable tally connected 2nd down. If not, you person to driblet backmost pinch a young backmost pinch an violative statement that is iffy and dream it useful retired aliases pinch Jeremiah Smith and and and Cardinal Tate. It’s not for illustration intermediate stuff. It’s not small hitches. It’s not for illustration easy speedy and
easy first down completions, it’s a play action heavy changeable down nan field. Like wherever is, they utilized to tally mesh routes each nan time. get it, teams tally a batch much area now and you can’t ever tally mesh routes, but mesh routes tin move into area beaters if a dude sits successful nan correct spread because he publication it right, right? Cause he had a bully consciousness for nan area and whatnot. It feels for illustration arsenic nan defense has gotten better,
Stephen Means (14:47.649)
the discourtesy has gotten little imaginative and little innovative because we person a bully defense. And it’s gone from a luxury to, successful my opinion, a spot of a crutch.
Yeah, crunches is astir apt nan correct connection for it. It really you mentioned location really benignant of made maine deliberation astir it like.
really wasn’t innovative this year. Like, I didn’t consciousness for illustration things were peculiarly creative. Even tonight. Even tonight, yeah. Like, it was each nan Ryan Davids top hits. It was bubble screens, it was pistol agelong to nan field, Not to nan boundary. you go. It conscionable feels for illustration if you screen this squad agelong enough, you cognize what they are offensively. And everybody has staples. Well, we each called nan bubble surface earlier nan shot was snapped. I virtually americium looking astatine you guys like, bubble surface incoming. And you cognize what? It astir apt would person worked if Jeremiah Smith makes nan block.
But nan constituent of matter is if I cognize that and I don’t get paid $12 cardinal a year, I don’t get paid X magnitude of money to strategy up a defense. What do you deliberation nan personification who is getting paid X magnitude of money to strategy up nan defense is reasoning that it’s going to beryllium successful that situation? Now, great, worst lawsuit scenario, I get that. it’s just, it’s stagnation successful nan violative coaching unit correct now.
Because I don’t deliberation it’s nan players. You can’t nan champion subordinate successful assemblage shot and excuse me, astatine worst, nan 3rd champion backmost successful assemblage shot this season. And it’d beryllium nan players for illustration Cardinal sensation gonna beryllium a apical 10 draught pick, right? Like Bo Jackson is simply a superstar successful nan making for illustration I.
Stephen Means (16:25.901)
He I don’t cognize if he’s gonna beryllium a first rounder because moving backs are difficult to beryllium successful nan first rounder. But besides like, tin he beryllium a first rounder nan measurement Najee Harris was a first rounder successful 2021 fixed what we saw from him successful twelvemonth one? it’s Max Clair was expected to beryllium nan champion receiving title successful nan country. Will Kazmeric is an awesome blocker.
It’s not nan players, your accomplishment position players are awesome. It conscionable doesn’t consciousness for illustration you’re putting them successful positions to person occurrence each azygous play. But past you’re asking your violative statement to do thing that, from an oculus trial perspective, driblet backmost passing crippled mightiness beryllium bully for your weapons, but it’s not bully for your violative line. Yeah, past you’re continuously putting this unit connected your defense to beryllium cleanable while your discourtesy is trying to fig it out. And astatine immoderate point.
It’s going to break, right? If it continues to beryllium asked to guidelines up and transportation this team, right? Like it felt for illustration I had benignant of talked astir this possibly connected our crippled preview part, I deliberation it was wherever I was saying for illustration nan defense is awesome, but you know, Indiana game, it’s for illustration it was an awesome defense. But astatine immoderate point, for illustration you’re being asked, for illustration make nan stop. And that’s a really difficult point to do erstwhile each nan unit is on. And it felt for illustration each clip they went retired location connected defense successful nan 2nd half against Miami, they had to make nan extremity and they struggled to do that. And you’re asking your defense
to do a batch and almost felt for illustration a historically bully defense was not conscionable not wasted by an discourtesy successful nan consciousness of like, you had a awesome defense. I’m like, you didn’t do thing pinch it. It was like, you had a awesome defense and you virtually continuously kept asking them to beryllium great. And astatine immoderate constituent they were gonna break. And that’s benignant of what it felt for illustration happened, you know, precocious successful nan crippled there. It almost feels for illustration Ohio State’s discourtesy was responsible for struggles successful each shape of nan game. And I deliberation what’s crazy is
They really did though. The defense did get nan stops. They sewage a cardinal extremity pinch 10, 16 near to play nan game. And said, present you go, Ryan Day. Here you go, Julian Sand. We did our part. It is 17 to 14. And we conscionable gave you nan shot backmost pinch 10 minutes near successful nan game. We did our job. Go do yours.
Stephen Means (18:35.263)
And to beryllium adjacent to Julian, first of all, 63 % completion percentage, that’s his lowest connected nan season, 22 aliases 35. But to beryllium adjacent to him, he was doing it. The point is, he was doing it against Indiana. He sewage him down there. He didn’t miss nan section goal. He did it successful this game. He sewage nan completions, holding call. And now you’re correct backmost wherever you started and it’s 2nd and 20. So that’s why it’s difficult to.
Jultonson didn’t play cleanable today. I’m not going to enactment for illustration he didn’t play cleanable today. But he besides played for illustration a feline making his 14th commencement while his 2 losses were to 2 guys who were successful their 3rd twelvemonth arsenic a starter and six years a assemblage shot player. And I deliberation for an animal does it was a 2 twelvemonth starter successful California.
One aliases two? okay, but for illustration sloppy for illustration you he’s a younger dude successful his first twelvemonth arsenic a starter and his 2 losses which are nan 2 aged guys he played during nan regular play for being existent here, right? Because for illustration him and Arch were adjacent they had fundamentally nan aforesaid magnitude of acquisition almost because I’m not counting Mississippi State.
in 2023 arsenic knowledgeable for Archmandy. I’m conscionable not gonna do that. Bryce Underwood’s a existent freshman. Ethan Kronkmeyer wasn’t moreover expected to beryllium their starting quarterback. are the, Demond Williams was nan starter for illustration halfway done nan 2024 season. But like, right, but each these, it was each these dudes who...
were fundamentally successful nan aforesaid class arsenic Julian. They were either successful nan aforesaid class arsenic Julian Sand aliases they conscionable weren’t bully capable for it to matter that they were experienced. These are nan first times wherever you had guys who were aged and they were seasoned and they were connected teams that were bully capable to really do thing astir it. And truthful they made plays erstwhile Julian Sand didn’t needfully make plays. But 2 games successful a row, it looked for illustration Julian Sand was fresh to spell make nan thrust and personification missed a section goal. Somebody sewage a bad holding call. Cardinal Tate dropped nan ball.
Stephen Means (20:22.058)
And that connected that last drive, each these things compiled successful a measurement wherever I don’t want to opportunity nan discourtesy grounded Julian Sand, but nan discourtesy starting pinch nan coaches and their stagnation grounded to put this discourtesy successful a position to person occurrence for 60 minutes.
So you person nan extent floor plan up from past year. Yeah. Why? Because truthful I pulled this up. This is from Nebraska week because it was nan first 1 that popped up connected a PDF. Funny really that works. Stephane said I didn’t. What did you say? I don’t want to opportunity that they wasted a historical defense. Yeah, I disagree. I deliberation they did because here’s nan excessively heavy from 20 twenty four.
And I’m not gonna tally done each azygous name. You guys cognize nan names. Hirukunnu was a transfer, truthful we’ll spot what happens there. CJ Hicks, he redshirted, truthful we’ll spot what happens there. Aaron Scott hasn’t played, truthful we’ll spot what happens there. Malik Hartford was wounded each year, we’ll spot what happens there. And past Lorenzo Stiles Jr., we’ll see. I don’t cognize what his NFL early is gonna be. I deliberation each different subordinate successful that excessively deep.
From 24 and 25 because you gotta retrieve that’s Kaden Curry is simply a extent subordinate Kaden McDonald is simply a extent subordinate Kenyatta Jackson is simply a extent subordinate Arvel Reese extent Jalen McClain extent each of those guys are gonna get drafted So that’s 5 of for illustration possibly I don’t cognize and there’s immoderate successful location of conscionable hey by nan measurement It conscionable went wrong
I look astatine that defense and I spot each NFL starter sewage drafted successful 24. And I spot successful this upcoming draught successful 26, Sonny Styles is gonna go. I’m sorry, I deliberation Sonny Styles is nan first information pick. And I cognize group are not necessarily- You person to apologize for that. He’s for illustration apical 20 successful ways large don’t cognize if group are needfully consenting to perceive really awesome nan defense is erstwhile they conscionable gave up nan astir points. But like, Stephon’s correct astir the-
Stephen Means (22:26.92)
You relied connected them each year. Eventually, erstwhile you put that overmuch weight connected personification aliases something, they’re going to crack. But like, I deliberation Kay McDonald is astir apt a first information pick. I deliberation he should beryllium astatine least. I deliberation Sonny Siles is simply a first information pick. I deliberation Arville Reese is simply a first information pick. Caleb Downs is simply a first information pick. There’s four. And that does not see possibly a early that includes, I don’t know, depends what you deliberation of Davis and Ibn Nosen. Depends really he tests, obviously.
I don’t know, it depends connected what you deliberation of, you know, a area for illustration Aaron Scott. Maybe he comes successful and is great, know, Jermaine Matthews. But I deliberation there’s 4 first information picks that were extent players connected nan 2014 and location was different one, a starter, Tyler Williams. And I conscionable I tally done those names to go. Ohio State, we talk astir this conception a batch going into nan spring. You know, there’s ne'er really a rebuild pinch Ohio State. They’re recession proof. They reload. They don’t rebuild.
All those things are true. There’s not a guarantee you’re to person this anytime soon pinch 4 first information picks successful 1 draught connected 1 portion of nan ball, right? Like there’s not a guarantee here. And, know, possibly I’m an idiot because it turns retired successful 27, it’s Julian and Jeremiah and you find 2 much connected offense, right? Maybe, possibly thing for illustration that happens, but I don’t.
I deliberation that this discourtesy grounded nan defense clearly, but it besides it near you benignant of wanting much for what could person been statistically, historically a really bully defense because we opportunity nan defense cracked nether unit and they didn’t, gave up that last drive.
Miami tally nan wall and Mark Fletcher had that large tally to commencement things disconnected and we went, ohio man, they’re really cooked. This is really complete now. And they didn’t get disconnected nan section connected 3rd down and each those things are true. It’s not for illustration they gave up 41. They gave up 17 points, which is nan astir points that this squad had fixed up successful 14 games. And nan discourtesy scored 14 points against Texas. And I cognize they put immoderate restrictor plates connected that offense, but they scored 14 against Texas.
Stephen Means (24:37.26)
They scored 10 against Indiana and they scored 14 against Miami. And successful those games, they allowed seven.
They allowed 24 to Miami and they allowed 13. I’m sorry. You allowed 7 and 13 points and 24 points. They’re technically 17. So 17, 13 and 7 and you went 1 and 2 successful those games. That is not bully enough. I’m sorry. The discourtesy coaching schematics, play calling personnel. It’s each sewage to beryllium amended because spell look astatine those names and immoderate of those guys that were awesome assemblage players who possibly conscionable didn’t get nan NFL shine. I sewage for illustration Jack Sawyer or
JT Tumaloa aliases Cody Simon. They were hellhole of shot players connected that defense. They were really, really good. And I deliberation they wasted it. I deliberation they wasted a defense that could still beryllium very bully adjacent year. Think astir each nan talent that they’ve got. There’s nary guarantee that what they had is ever going to hap successful nan adjacent future. nan problem is we could person said that past year. I agree. agree. astatine immoderate point, nan gravy train is going to stop. Every year, Ohio State is going to person 4 first information picks that travel connected defense. That’s conscionable what
they do each year. I’m sorry, that’s crazy. That’s a really, really bully run. Yeah, they’re a bully shot team. They conscionable mislaid a bully team. Okay, let’s return a break and past we’ll travel backmost and let’s conscionable benignant of push this guardant present because I don’t deliberation we want to beryllium correct astatine nan constituent here. So let’s return a break and past we’ll look guardant a small spot present connected Muckeye Talk.
We’re backmost successful connected Buckeye Talk. Stephen Means, Stefan Kreisnick, and Andrew Gillis aft Ohio State’s 2014 nonaccomplishment to Miami. Their play is complete while nan Hurricanes move connected to nan Fiesta, though recovered that they find retired their force connected New Year’s Day erstwhile Georgia and Ole Miss play successful nan Sugar Bowl. What a awesome measurement for america to travel down midnight. It’s, we’re already astatine 11.56 Central time, truthful we get to...
Stephen Means (26:28.534)
I don’t deliberation anyone wants to perceive america singing aliases travel down aliases thing for illustration that, but it’s astir to hap unrecorded connected Book Hight Talk for us. Yeah, we’re not going to singing Auld Lang Syne if that’s what you’re funny about.
Stephen Means (26:42.06)
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It’s clip for petition. No much New Year’s Eve games. was going to opportunity they’ve mislaid 3 times. They mislaid nary more. In 2016, they only scored. They didn’t people against Clemson. And again, aft not winning nan large title and backmost doorway and they were into nan assemblage shot playoff, mislaid to Clemson connected New Year’s Eve. In 2022, aft backmost doorway and they were distant into nan assemblage shot playoff, they mislaid to Georgia connected New Year’s Eve. In 2025, they didn’t backmost doorway nan measurement and they were going to get successful regardless. They conscionable didn’t triumph nan Big Ten. And they mislaid to Miami connected New Year’s Eve. I deliberation you’re onto something. No much New Year’s games.
for dumber things related to Ohio State football. I deliberation that should beryllium a thing. No much New Year’s Eve games. Priority number one, Stefan, for you erstwhile it comes to Ohio State this offseason. Priority number 1 is to show Gillis to put his telephone connected silent erstwhile we’re signaling nan podcast. deliberation privilege number 1 is nailing down this violative staff, immoderate that operation benignant of looks like.
There’s truthful galore ways to go, Ryan, because I deliberation what you decided to do pinch Kaden Bailey is astir apt telling correct arsenic you could. It almost feels for illustration he is.
the feline who’s going to beryllium nan receivers coach. Like if location was betting likelihood connected it, and I cognize betting likelihood mean thing erstwhile a squad that was conscionable favored by 9 and a half. There’s dense likelihood that he would beryllium nan receivers coach. Okay, does that travel pinch him beryllium nan violative coordinator aliases do you move him to receivers coach and move Tyler Bowen to tight ends coach wherever he has acquisition successful nan past and hired violative statement coach and possibly Tyler Bowen who has acquisition calling plays arsenic good could beryllium nan violative coordinator. It’s absorbing wherever they want to go. And I know, Steven, 1 point you want to talk astir is, you know, this thought of
Stephen Means (28:22.286)
new humor and having different voices. How would you consciousness astir Tyler Bowen arsenic an owner? Would that beryllium capable caller humor for you if Tyler Bowen was here? If they were successful nan room successful 2025, they are not allowed to telephone players successful 2026. And that’s pinch each owed respect to nan group successful nan room. They are from very, very smart group who person very, very agleam futures. Ask play callers 1 day. Ryan Day needs his ain Ryan Day.
Go backmost to, I mentioned nan 2016 game, and if you remember, nan discourtesy had benignant of grown stagnant and wasted an elite defense. Gil, arsenic you’re talking astir this year, you wanna cognize who was connected nan 2016 defense? Nick Bosa, Garyon Conley, Marshawn Latimore, Malik Hooker.
There’s dudes connected that defense, man. They had 3 first rounders successful that twelvemonth and past Nick Bosa would beryllium a first rounder later. So yeah, they’ve had 4 earlier connected those defenses and it felt for illustration it sewage wasted because their discourtesy was fundamentally Curtis Samuel and nan play calling was for squat for a deficiency of a amended connection to usage location and it felt like
JT Barrett had regressed arsenic a backmost and it was clip to bring successful caller blood. So what did Urban Meyer spell do that disconnected season? He went and sewage Kevin Wilson and he went and sewage Ryan Day. And look astatine what has happened pinch nan discourtesy since then. JT Barrett had a very bully twelvemonth successful 2017. Dwayne Haskins threw for 50 tugs successful 2018. Justin Fields showed up and was an awesome backmost successful nan first information draught big. TJ Schrau was a first information draught large and backmost to backmost Heisman Trophy finalist. Kyle McCord, for illustration nan level became Kyle McCord.
Who was 3rd squad each large 10? That’s what I’m saying. Like floor, for illustration Kyle McCord level backmost play each of a abrupt wasn’t bully capable anymore. Who, that’s what happened here. And I deliberation present we are again, almost 10 years later from that Clemson game, from that New Year’s Eve loss. And I consciousness for illustration Ryan Day is successful nan aforesaid position that Urban Myers and it’s not arsenic bad. Cause it’s not for illustration they’re successful shutout and playoff games, but.
Stephen Means (30:26.188)
Back successful 2023 aft they lost, he gave up play calling.
and he gave it up to Bill O’Brien. And I retrieve successful for illustration nan 1 presser we sewage to talk pinch Ryan Day astir it, he was talking astir really Bill O’Brien had travel successful present and he was like, you know, conscionable offering caller ideas and whatnot that possibly they had ne'er really thought of before. Unfortunately, that didn’t activity retired because Bill O’Brien ended up taking nan occupation astatine Boston College wrong for illustration 2 weeks aft he sewage here. So whatever. So he went to Chip Kelly, which worked out. They won a nationalist title, that’s Chip Kelly and Ryan Day speak nan aforesaid language.
So moreover that was much of nan same. Okay, Chip Kelly leaves aft 1 twelvemonth and you beforehand virtually for illustration the... his assemblage shot son. If Chip Kelly is Ryan Day’s assemblage shot father, past Brian Hartman is his assemblage shot for illustration small brother. You promoted him. Okay, truthful that’s much of nan same. Keenan Bailey’s been present since 2016. That’s much of nan same. Tyler Bowen, judge he’s only been present for a year, but for illustration that’s still gonna beryllium conception level, for illustration much of nan same.
They request a dude who’s not from nan tree, who is, who erstwhile they think, hey, we should spell right, he thinks astir going left. And that feline brings successful caller blood, caller ideas, caller things to nan table. I wasn’t that Ryan Day, but you guys were. And 1 of nan first things you guys said to maine is erstwhile they were talking, he sewage asked astir nan discourtesy and nan statement and whether group were connected nan aforesaid page. And Caleb Downs and Julian Sand, who had been looking down astatine their feet, full property are each of a sudden.
poked up their eyes are like, day, really you gonna reply that question? As if they already knew nan reply was no. So they don’t, I don’t want anybody who already is successful nan bloodline. Sure. I don’t moreover want a cousin. Go get married.
Stephen Means (32:15.692)
This is for illustration this is for illustration my large happy caller year. Yeah, this is for illustration my large fat Greek wedding. Yes, conscionable for illustration begging personification to get married. It’s clip to person your large fat Greek wedding. The point nan point that I will opportunity it’s for illustration deliberation astir it for illustration successful immoderate different business for illustration deliberation astir this podcast for those that person been listening for a while. We person 2 caller group travel connected nan podcast successful nan past 2 years. You cognize what happened erstwhile I showed up? I started saying connected nan ball.
Sometimes they should do that. for illustration Steven and you cognize what happens? Sometimes you tin adjust. Steven looked astatine maine 1 constituent and said, hey, they’re moving nan shot beautiful good and it’s really helped them. He doesn’t doesn’t mean he’s for illustration go this make this nan focal point. don’t want to tally nan triple option. He’s not saying make this nan focal constituent of your offense. Stefan tweeted a photograph of maine earlier successful nan time describing connected a whiteboard really to do nan azygous helping spinner series, which is simply a full nother point. Nobody should beryllium moving that point. But here’s nan thing. It’s like, I don’t know.
people person different points of views, person different experiences, group spot things a different way. And erstwhile I show up aliases erstwhile Stefan shows up, we say, well, what astir this? And possibly you disagree, possibly you agree, possibly you say, I ne'er thought of it that way. Maybe you say, ne'er thought of it that way, but I deliberation you’re wrong. Maybe you say, ne'er thought of it that way, but I deliberation you’re an idiot. Like immoderate it is, styles alteration and you tin adhd caller perspectives because Stefan mentioned it astir nan defense.
Larry Johnson stayed, James Laurinetta stayed, Tim Walton stayed, Macquarie stayed, a batch of those protect guys stayed and I cognize location were group successful nan building like...
He brought successful for illustration a GA who was defense coordinator nan Dolphins whose sanction is metallic my mind correct now But it’s for illustration you bring successful immoderate of your group and past I don’t cognize You’re conscionable opinionated up astatine nan whiteboard and you conscionable make for illustration an other statement aliases you opportunity what if we did? This what if we did X alternatively of Y we’ll support everything nan aforesaid But if we conscionable move this feline 5 yards this way, I deliberation you saw that it conscionable gives you a different look You saw that pinch Matt Patricia, right? You your full defense of staff
Stephen Means (34:10.688)
you know, enactment successful spot speech from nan coordinator. And erstwhile Patricia came successful and they tweaked a fewer things, it’s like, I don’t know, nan defense sewage better. He virtually changed nan full machine system. Right. The machine system, fto unsocial what they were doing connected nan machine system, Stefan. Yeah. And it makes you much versatile. nan machine system. When you told maine he told you that, was successful awe.
I didn’t mean to trim you off, but that’s conscionable insane to maine to moreover deliberation about. it’s conscionable caller blood. It’s that clip for immoderate caller blood. here’s nan logic why. You talked astir nan protect broadside and consciousness for illustration you wasted nan defense. I americium coming to position pinch nan truth that what I sewage to acquisition successful 2021 pinch this discourtesy astir apt is not going to hap again.
One, because they person a bully capable defense now that CJ Stroud doesn’t person to propulsion nan shot 50 times a crippled anymore. Whoever nan backmost is, doesn’t person to propulsion nan shot 50 times a crippled anymore. But also, Brian Hartlund is stepping retired nan door, truthful we person to spot who they’re gonna prosecute arsenic wide receivers coach. Also, they had 3 first information draught picks.
Jackson Smith and Jigba mightiness beryllium nan champion wide receiver successful nan NFL correct now. He mightiness beryllium nan NFL Offensive Player of nan Year. Chris Olave yet sewage a backmost who’s not throwing nan medicine balls and he had 100 catches and a 1000 yards this year. Garrett Wilson has had nan astir putrid backmost play for his full profession and yet we each support watching him beryllium awesome erstwhile he’s healthy. This is nan first twelvemonth of his profession he’s not going to person a 1000 yards. And down that they had nan dude who mightiness triumph nan NFL Rookie of nan Year.
and nan champion wide receiver, nan astir dressed up wide receiver successful nan programme history who couldn’t get connected nan section because those 3 were up of them. I don’t cognize if nan room will ever look for illustration that again. I don’t cognize if it won’t. I conscionable don’t cognize if it will correct now. So each those, positive a existent freshman five-star moving backmost who was arsenic explosive arsenic tin humanly be. Like location was a batch astatine play for why they were arsenic explosive arsenic that. I don’t cognize if we’ll ever get that again because they tin tally nan shot a small spot and nan defense is good. But we’re going excessively acold distant from that.
Stephen Means (36:18.091)
Right? We went from for illustration each 3 of those guys fundamentally being 1000 yards receivers to I deliberation Jeremiah Smith, nan only 1000 gait receiver this year. And nan only logic Mecca Bucca sewage complete is because they played 16 games successful 2024. just. They request caller humor because it’s sewage stagnant. And arsenic a result, I consciousness for illustration nan accumulation of nan offense, moreover if nan talent, particularly connected nan perimeter quarterback, particularly this year, hasn’t fallen that acold off.
For immoderate reason, nan discourtesy has regressed. And truthful now it’s clip for nan group who each deliberation alike to get personification successful present who’s gonna go, well, that’s stupid. Well, that’s really Junius. We should support doing this. What if we did things this way?
And if they do that, deliberation everything other we’re talking about, whether it’s really they measure violative linemen successful nan recruiting trail, really they attack offense, nan remainder of nan violative coaching unit and really that each falls successful line. Julian Sands development. Jeremiah Smith, who is going into his last twelvemonth arsenic an Ohio State shot player, getting nan astir retired of Brandon and it’s getting nan astir retired of Bo Jackson and Isaiah West and past James Peeples and whoever Johnny Thurman is successful nan portal. So he’s not going to beryllium present and whoever other correct now, everybody.
This discourtesy is excessively good.
to do what it did this year. And if that intends location needs to beryllium personification who has, pinch caller eyes, tin travel look astatine it and we get a different result, that is what needs to happen. Because if not, you’re not gonna guidelines still. You’re gonna progress, you’re gonna regress. And they are starting to regress offensively. And you look astatine nan names who are connected this discourtesy and it doesn’t make consciousness why they’re regressing. I deliberation nan simplest measurement that I tin opportunity this, I don’t cognize where...
Stephen Means (38:02.771)
against it. deliberation nan simplest measurement to do it is...
Ohio State needs to find retired what it is and possibly much importantly what it is not. And it needs to make adjustments from there. needs to find retired wherever it is lacking. And I deliberation you request to find ways to counteract that because arsenic Stephen has said before, suffer measurement they suffer successful ways that are very, akin to ways that they person mislaid successful nan past. We did not moreover talk astir a 5 gait forbidden process punishment connected a punt precocious successful nan crippled that
cost you 20 yards because Malachi Tony was adjacent caught astatine nan 10 and nan adjacent punt went to nan 30 and he adjacent caught it location and it costs you 20 yards. Little worldly for illustration that adds up and I deliberation Ohio State, I cognize it’s an violative point that you were making nan constituent of, they haven’t been bully connected typical teams successful nan past 2 years. They’ve ne'er been bully connected typical teams. Why? So fig that out. They request to find retired who they are, what they are, and for illustration I said, much importantly, what they are not.
Well, I deliberation nan measurement Ryan Daney’s approached this is...
Go prosecute nan champion violative coordinator. I deliberation that’s what he did past twelvemonth successful defense. Go prosecute nan champion protect coordinator. Who wouldn’t want to JJ and Julian? Right. Go prosecute nan champion violative coordinator, nary matter really removed from Ohio State that feline is, and fig retired nan remainder from there. Don’t spell into this, I’m not saying Ryan Day would, but don’t spell into saying, we cognize we person to beforehand keen expertise to receivers, and we person to do this pinch Tyler Bowen, and past here’s wherever we’re attack it from here.
Stephen Means (39:35.308)
hire nan champion violative coordinator. And if that feline happens to beryllium nan receivers coach, past okay, Keenan and Tyler Bones opportunity wherever they are. If that feline happens to beryllium a tight ends coach, past okay, Keenan moves to receivers. If that guy, I uncertainty you would person an violative statement coach who’s besides an violative coordinator, but if that’s what nan champion feline is gonna do, past that’s what nan champion feline is gonna do and you set that. So I deliberation what’s very important for Ohio State is, and for Ryan Day is make nan champion move and past fig it retired from there. And I deliberation Ohio State benignant of has that luxury that a batch of programs don’t. I deliberation possibly Ryan Day saw
that past twelvemonth pinch bat patricia for illustration hey you you don’t needfully person to for illustration scramble to get personification because you’re ohio authorities you’ll still get that champion action sloppy of nan timing of it truthful that that’s what he’s to do present is spell find nan champion action nary matter if it’s personification who bleeds scarlet and grey aliases if it’s personification who cannot guidelines ohio authorities but now wants a occupation arsenic an violative coordinator
Stephen Means (40:28.651)
Let’s spell get it done, With that being said, if Julian Sand doesn’t propulsion a prime six because Jeremiah Smith missed nan block, they astir apt triumph nan shot crippled and we sound for illustration we’re nitpicking again. Also, conscionable 1 much point connected nan future. There’s a really absorbing speech to person astir nan violative line.
because a period agone we were saying, beatified crap, each 5 of these guys are coming back. They’re person this extracurricular of nan Teng Road. Like they’re gonna person 4 starters coming backmost connected nan violative line. I don’t deliberation anyone listening to this podcast correct now wants each four. Now that sounds for illustration a threat. Yes. Yeah. Whether it’s information and for illustration trenches are truthful difficult successful nan portal, but for illustration you person to measure everything correct now. Yeah. And it starts astatine nan violative line. It’s like, I deliberation nan conversation, astatine slightest for us, possibly wrong nan programme they were having this speech already like,
It’s shifted successful nan past month. And that’s different absorbing point that nan unit is gonna person to manage. The portal opens successful for illustration 24 hours arsenic you’re listening to this. So get ready. I conjecture it depends connected who goes successful nan portal from an violative statement perspective. And nan logic why is, I mean, it’s nary different than, we actively, particularly against Indiana saw really you get deed for illustration 4 times successful nan first half. It’s gonna effect really Julian Sam plays football. You get burned, you don’t wanna put your manus connected nan stove anymore.
There’s a cardinal dollars that was sitting connected nan sideline for Ohio State connected nan violative statement room. You don’t. You’re expected to protect Julian Sands blinds and he was going to play correct guard. He was he was expected to protect Julian Sands. He went from this is their near tackle to OK, good he’s gonna play correct tackle because Austin Cerebell is beautiful bully to OK, possibly he’s gonna play correct defender to old. They’re rotating correct guard, but it’s not pinch him to nan 2nd year. Right defender is now playing right. Who was nan backup near tackle?
before nan 2nd bye week to deliberation astir it. Austin Cerevelle near nan crippled and it was Ian Moore who came in. I mean, Ohio State’s connected their 3rd correct guard. Every clip location was an opportunity for a feline who they paid it like, I was for illustration a, I genuinely they paid a cardinal dollars for a portal violative lineman. And each clip location was an opportunity for nan cardinal dollar violative lineman to get connected nan field, they benignant of went retired of their measurement to make judge he wasn’t nan feline who was being prepared to spell connected nan field.
Stephen Means (42:43.657)
When you miss for illustration that, CJ Donaldson was good, but he wasn’t, I mean, nan 24th portal people was insane. That’s portion of nan point here. Like they deed connected each azygous portal version successful 2024. CJ Donaldson was good, but he wasn’t great. Philip Daniels was good, was okay, but he wasn’t great. Max Clair, bully season. And for illustration I said before, Gillis ends up being correct that he had much than 30 catches done nan first 12 games of nan season. I’ll ain that. But like, did he person nan type of effect that you were putting down those catches?
Probably not. So yeah, he had nan counting stats, but nan effect wasn’t felt rather that way. They missed dense connected nan transportation portal. I am, it’s, it’s, you’ve already seen nan effect connected nan recruiting trail. Cause this is nan largest people they’ve signed since Ryan Day has been nan caput coach. I americium wondering really that’s impacting really cautious they mightiness beryllium successful nan portal erstwhile you are not wrong. That if I Jordan Seton hops successful nan portal, spell get Jordan Seton.
I don’t attraction really overmuch it costs, but erstwhile you person been burned nan measurement they’ve been burned, I do wonderment what nan effect that is connected really you spell astir things. They sewage a kicker successful nan portal. couldn’t hit Jayden Fielding. They sewage a kicker successful nan portal and he couldn’t hit retired Jayden Fielding who missed a crippled winning section extremity against Indiana, missed aggregate spot shots against Michigan a twelvemonth ago, and they put him retired location coming and he missed it successful Ryan’s time said, no, we’re throwing a slap walk to Jeremiah Smith nan remainder of nan game.
Burn bad. don’t cognize if anybody other is. I wonderment really galore teams sewage burned arsenic severely arsenic Ohio State did astir nan 2025 quarter. Because it ended up astir it. Because moreover Isaiah World astatine Oregon, he was not great. He wasn’t great. for what they astir apt paid. Right. So I americium wondering what for illustration really that impacts immoderate schools who possibly felt for illustration they sewage burned successful nan portal who are successful Ohio State, Oregon’s positions wherever they tin create done nan portal. So location is is nary much unit of.
Guys sewage a job. Yeah, guys sewage a job. You sewage to enlistee each this and that. I don’t cognize if it doesn’t extremity being pinch Tyler Bowen moving to tight ends coach, past you’ve sewage a determination to make pinch your violative statement coach. Yeah, he’s sewage to measurement successful and do it. yeah. Well, truthful there’s that 614-350-3315. We’ll proceed to dive into this worldly because there’s nary much shot games planned. There’s going beryllium a batch to get into. But I deliberation each azygous position group, I deliberation we mightiness conscionable people and measure each azygous position groups successful nan coming weeks. But get nan matter 614-35-3315. The portal is open.
Stephen Means (45:03.659)
In 24 hours from now is nan clip you’re listening this over. We’ll still beryllium plentifulness of news and study to travel from Buckeye Talk. In nan meantime, for Stefan Christen and Andrew Gillis, I’m Stephen Means. Talk to you guys later.
